Dave K. wrote:So you know more about the game than he professionals that play it, as around 1/4 of them voted Ellis as the MOS? http://www.rugby-league.com/article/386 ... n-of-steel Or more than the journalists who voted Ellis in the dream team over Westerman? So that's Lineham and Westerman better than Ellis and Fonua. Kevin Brown better than Kelly? A popularity contest proves nothing and pro sports people are the worst for it. 2016 Westerman was superb, Ellis had a good season for the games he played which was 37% fewer than Westerman (9 numerically) but wasn't as good IMHO. Lineham isn't better than Ellis as you're comparing apples and oranges, Fonua is a better attacker than Lineham, Lineham far superior defensively as I said. Dream team wingers aren't picked on their defensive/overall capabilities and Fonua was fully deserving of his spot in 2016. HTH

Dave K. wrote:So you know more about the game than he professionals that play it, as around 1/4 of them voted Ellis as the MOS? http://www.rugby-league.com/article/386 ... n-of-steel Or more than the journalists who voted Ellis in the dream team over Westerman? So that's Lineham and Westerman better than Ellis and Fonua. Kevin Brown better than Kelly? A popularity contest proves nothing and pro sports people are the worst for it. 2016 Westerman was superb, Ellis had a good season for the games he played which was 37% fewer than Westerman (9 numerically) but wasn't as good IMHO. Lineham isn't better than Ellis as you're comparing apples and oranges, Fonua is a better attacker than Lineham, Lineham far superior defensively as I said. Dream team wingers aren't picked on their defensive/overall capabilities and Fonua was fully deserving of his spot in 2016. HTH

Lee Radford has strong words about it, and Garry Schofield has his say in League Express later. Can hardly wait.

Rovers forum, next one down

So you are saying the MOS votes are based on a popularity contest?

Last year the top 3 was Hardraker, Kelly and Gale, id doubt very much that the first two players were that popular the were voted by players, they were voted advance they were the top 3 players, same as 2016 as all other years, Id be suprised if Westerman got one vote.

How many times did you watch Westerman in 2016, considering you don't watch many Hull games, I'd be suprised if it was more than 50%,

If you can't work out that I'm comparing Lineham to Fonua you are dumber than I thought.

But as I've said you know more that professional players, coaching and journalists.

What is your rugby playing and coaching with background, I presume you are still involved in the game Tony?

Also if you went to games in 2015 you will have seen some really poor performances defensively from Lineham, lots of posts on here at the time.

Lineham makes less mistakes, Fonua is superior in every other department

I always liked Lineham but he, like Westerman, never really showed the intensity of a Taylor or Houghton, or a Fonua, which fans really warm to.

Good signing for me

My knee jerk reaction was not positive but as others have said, if he plays as a wide runner like in his best season for us then he could go very well

I thought he overplayed sometimes at Warrington so I hope he doesn’t do the same at Hull. Welcome back Joe!

Personally I like reading Bumpys posts. He's forthright, says things without sugar coating and he's not afraid to just say it how he sees it.

Its just an opinion, of ONE man, and I can take it or leave it as I can with everyones. But I do like reading them.

I can't always do with all the Table Tennis and sometimes vitriol that usually follows a Bumby opening post or any of his posts for that matter, and both sides are to blame... someone starts it and no-one wants to back down and off we go... 3 pages later....
But it is amusing sometimes and then it just gets tedious and then boring.

His opening posts often make me look at the game from a different perspective, I rarely agree but I do agree sometimes. If I dont agree I'm not going to change Bumpys opinions anyway and I wouldn't want to. They are somtimes curve ball versus mainstream but so what. Let his voice be heard.
People are individuals and their different opinions make the world go round and a brighter more interesting place.

On this forum too its the same. If everyone just agreed with everyone else and largely followed the pack then what really is the point ?. Especially if it makes some people daunted to say what they think because they are wary of a backlash, whether real or not.

I welcome all comments, it makes this forum, but I'm not sure the barbs that are flying around on some occasions really are in the best interests of upping poster numbers. Rugby League and Hull FC has a rich tapestry of opinions, I just think we should welcome them all. We all see things in different ways.

Knockers "Radders out' move failed, I'm happy to say. It was a divisive move, and some people have long memories, but he genuinely felt that so fair play to him, and in the end end common sense prevailed in my humble opinion. I was very pleased that both he and it failed.

More recently though, he's had good things to say about Radders so he's not dyed in the wool.
And for or me that petition thing has gone with the fairies. Its History.
But I like people like Bumby and Seb who just sometimes say it, sometimes they may regret it, but thats their nature, they who are honest to their own opinions whether popular or not.
Long may it continue.

Good post, couldn't agree more

Westerman was very much praised by wire fans for his performance in 2016. I think were Ellis was different was his impact on the team. Ellis played and Hull performed. A real leaders role.

I disagree with your view of Lineham. He was not definitely not superior in defence. He was referred to as having an oil tankers turning circle when defending. Linehams main attributes were he could read the game well, was an opportunist and he was a decent finisher.

IMO