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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:54 am

RogerMoore

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Joined: Jan 24 2006
Posts: 224
Location: Warrington

Wasn't just Welsby, Watkins, Bateman, McIlorum and Young all had a poor game. Even so, could have been so much different if Whitehead had taken the tackle at the end of his break. A drop goal would have won it at that stage.

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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:33 am

Dave K.

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Joined: Mar 14 2003
Posts: 25781
Location: Back in Hull.

Thetalentboy wrote:Common sense says play the same team who beat samoa in the 1st match

If he played different team and lost people would be saying whys he changed it so wane literally couldn't win

Welsby was the best player last time

Gotta remember samoa have 5 or 6 grand final winners from NRL who walked in the origin team and starred in the origin ( luai, Crichton, to'o )

And I hope samoa win next week

Common sense you don't play an average hooker, who didn't have one good game and offers nothing in attack.

Agree about Samoa winning it, don't think they will get close unfortunately

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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:43 pm

Thetalentboy

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Joined: Feb 23 2003
Posts: 5518
Location: Hull

Dave K. wrote:Common sense you don't play an average hooker, who didn't have one good game and offers nothing in attack.

Agree about Samoa winning it, don't think they will get close unfortunately

Roby and Clark are better than mcilorum 100%

But mcilorum offers some defensive aggression but for some reason was getting run over the top against samoa

But he's still a class above Houghton hence why Houghton has never had a full international cap or got close really

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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:56 pm

Dave K.

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Joined: Mar 14 2003
Posts: 25781
Location: Back in Hull.

Thetalentboy wrote:Roby and Clark are better than mcilorum 100%

But mcilorum offers some defensive aggression but for some reason was getting run over the top against samoa

But he's still a class above Houghton hence why Houghton has never had a full international cap or got close really

He isn't, the main reason he has caps is that he played for Wigan.

Both are solid SL hookers nothing more, England have failed for years, so I'm not sure England caps are a measure of how good a player is.

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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:02 pm

The Hollywood Frasier

Club Coach

Joined: Feb 14 2005
Posts: 9460

Thetalentboy wrote:But mcilorum offers some defensive aggression but for some reason was getting run over the top against samoa

Because they went at him all game to tire him out because Wane got the bench wrong.

Hard Work Beats Talent, When Talent Doesn't Work Hard

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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:12 pm

B0NES

Club Coach

Joined: Jan 15 2005
Posts: 12415
Location: Hull

Some players will have played there last world cup for England , Time to move on Tompkins , Hill , McIlorum , Whitehead.

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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:49 pm

The Hollywood Frasier

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Joined: Feb 14 2005
Posts: 9460

B0NES wrote:Some players will have played there last world cup for England , Time to move on Tompkins , Hill , McIlorum , Whitehead.

Don't think Whitehead has ever got the credit he deserves, he's consistently one of England's best performers.

Hopefully Newman can get over his injury problems because him and Herbie together could be our centres for the next decade.

Hard Work Beats Talent, When Talent Doesn't Work Hard

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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:36 pm

mwindass

Player Coach

Joined: Nov 19 2008
Posts: 5380

We've got Wardle at centre too. Hopefully he can fulfil his potential

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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:56 pm

B0NES

Club Coach

Joined: Jan 15 2005
Posts: 12415
Location: Hull

The Hollywood Frasier wrote:Don't think Whitehead has ever got the credit he deserves, he's consistently one of England's best performers.

Hopefully Newman can get over his injury problems because him and Herbie together could be our centres for the next decade.

I think Whitehead is a fantastic player both for club & Country , but he'll be 36 when France 2025 comes around .

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Post subject: Re: World Cup

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:03 pm

B0NES

Club Coach

Joined: Jan 15 2005
Posts: 12415
Location: Hull

Gutted for the women in their semi final , but some of the players just didn't perform tonight . Far to many errors , poor defence & kicking game handed the Ferns an easy win imo . Hopefully they can build again and come back even stronger for the next world cup . Really enjoyed watching some of the games in the Womans comp .

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