UllFC wrote:Some Hull and City fans are far too negative about the stadium. Without it being built Pearson and Hetherington wouldn't have bought the teams and there was a chance one or both would have gone bust. Since it opened we've had 3 CC wins and City have had 3 spells in the Premier League. And also Grand Final and FA Cup final defeat too.
Yes it's too big but the big issue with the atmosphere is how poor we are. It has been noisy in the past, particularly in the 00s when it felt like we were a growing club going places.
Exactly this. It’s a great stadium in our traditional club heartland and we already have loads of history there. The bare bones 10k attendances the atmosphere is flat but if we stop getting hammered every week and get a bit of buzz around the club again could easily be back to 12-13K, 15K with a good side.
The obvious downside is the lack of extra revenue to be made from non rugby stuff. It’s a salary cap sport though set at 2.1 million, it’s not going to stop us competing with anyone really. The council and the SMC have seemingly knocked the concerts on the head at the stadium and Rovers don’t seem to be doing many now so maybe it’s just not the money spinner people thought it was anyways.
Even under the Allams the petty arguments seemed to boil down to money, find ourselves in a decent financial situation I’m sure we can make the ground feel like home again if we are willing to pay for club decorations and stuff around the ground. Hardly been a priority past few seasons though.
His Bobness wrote:The reason Rovers have backers with money is because the club owns the ground and surrounding land. But don't forget that Neil Hudgell owns more than 75% of the shares so is still effectively the sole owner. The reason that Sewell and Kilburn were attracted is the development opportunities that are on offer.
Craven Park is going to be developed bit by bit over the years and Sewell Group and MKM (Kilburn joint owner) will play a major role. Also there are 7 pockets of land one of which already has planning permission for housing.
Of course Rovers do also have multi millionaire James McNicol son of former chairman who is ploughing in money simply because he is a supporter.
Owning the ground means that Rovers collect every single penny that is generated. Rovers are now attracting bigger crowds than Hull FC anyway so are miles ahead in terms of matchday income.
As Adam Pearson said after Rovers purchased the stadium 'I can only envy Hull Kingston Rovers'.
I don’t doubt that Rovers have a much better match day income then Hull. We can both only spend 3.1 million or a year whatever it is even if you max out every single marquee dispensation regardless.
It’s great for you because you was able to buy the ground at a decent price. Like I said earlier, it would cost Hull likely £60-70 million to build a ground, going off St Helens cost of £25 million 15 years ago for no real advantage. Maybe we’d get an extra 0.25 points for primary tenancy or whatever on IMG, but that’s not going to be around long anyways.
DSJ1983 wrote:Exactly this. It’s a great stadium in our traditional club heartland and we already have loads of history there. The bare bones 10k attendances the atmosphere is flat but if we stop getting hammered every week and get a bit of buzz around the club again could easily be back to 12-13K, 15K with a good side.
The obvious downside is the lack of extra revenue to be made from non rugby stuff. It’s a salary cap sport though set at 2.1 million, it’s not going to stop us competing with anyone really. The council and the SMC have seemingly knocked the concerts on the head at the stadium and Rovers don’t seem to be doing many now so maybe it’s just not the money spinner people thought it was anyways.
Even under the Allams the petty arguments seemed to boil down to money, find ourselves in a decent financial situation I’m sure we can make the ground feel like home again if we are willing to pay for club decorations and stuff around the ground. Hardly been a priority past few seasons though.
Concerts involve giving the promoter a big fee up front and taking on all the risk. Years ago when the stadium had gigs they ended up reducing tickets to break even, but the problem there is when you've done that once the public remembers and hold off buying full price tickets next time.
The Who and Rod Stewart drew poor crowds at Craven Park last year, both acts too old, prices high and you end up with pitch damage which is why they've not bothered this year.
The only thing we miss out on is bar and food takings but how much profit is really made during 3 hours for 15 nights/days a year?
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DSJ1983 wrote:I don’t doubt that Rovers have a much better match day income then Hull. We can both only spend 3.1 million or a year whatever it is even if you max out every single marquee dispensation regardless.
It’s great for you because you was able to buy the ground at a decent price. Like I said earlier, it would cost Hull likely £60-70 million to build a ground, going off St Helens cost of £25 million 15 years ago for no real advantage. Maybe we’d get an extra 0.25 points for primary tenancy or whatever on IMG, but that’s not going to be around long anyways.
DarksideDave wrote:Some positive news. It's obviously just a pipe dream but Hull could probably squeeze in a 15000 all seater stadium/sports village on the land just north or Inglemire Lane in collaboration with the right stakeholders.
None starter We're fine where we are and building would mean risking ending up with an unfinished dump similar to Lighstream Craven Park!!
DarksideDave wrote:Some positive news. It's obviously just a pipe dream but Hull could probably squeeze in a 15000 all seater stadium/sports village on the land just north or Inglemire Lane in collaboration with the right stakeholders.
Found it a bit strange the how little we’ve seen of the new training hub, a lot has been made of the importance of it yet seen zero photos of the facility. Thought it would be something the club would be eager to show off.
The Cooke Report wrote:It’s a hut. Nothing more. It’s open to all go look around. It’s underwhelming to say the least.
You would know all about huts wouldn’t you at your what?…2 stands,another that looks like one off subuteo and another end with burger vans and whatever else…..you aren’t crumble off hull live are you as he spouts as much crap as you
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HU8HFC wrote:Found it a bit strange the how little we’ve seen of the new training hub, a lot has been made of the importance of it yet seen zero photos of the facility. Thought it would be something the club would be eager to show off.
we've been sold another dud by Pearson. For all his crowing about us moving into our own training facilities it's actually another hull university building that we will share with a load of other sporting clubs. There isn't even a sign outside identifying it as our home and looks like two modular buildings put together with a bit of render and faux bricks on the outside
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