Criticism and scathing at that was totally justified, he brought the club to a point that fans were against each other due to his incompetence, fans were leaving in their droves, saying they'd not come back. Hardened fans don't say things like that without a reason. His continual line that it was everbody elses fault and not admit he was failing was sickening to hear/read especially the bit about the fans, in fact he actually continued on in this vein in his interview shown yesterday, he couldn't bring himself to say yes, actually I wasn't up to scratch, I made a lot of mistakes when questioned about the last few years under his stewardship, nope he continued to point the finger elsewhere. Do i regret putting up a petition, not in the slightest, as I said, it wasn't anything serious, it was just me saying what I wanted to say to the club, it was obviously read and of that I'm glad, it tells them that I and other were not happy with the way our club was going. Do I regret saying he was a turd of a coach, nope, because at that juncture he was fooking awful and taking us backward at a rate of knots with uninspiring rugby. If just one jot of criticism by fans has an effect in the way LR and the AP think about how they are going about things and change something for the better then that criticism has worked as a positive, if not then it is just fans letting off steam because they at that time are frustrated with how cack things were with no sign of change.
Does LR deserve the plaudits for changing things around, absolutely, I don't think a single person has not given praise and mentioned the turn around which with a little dose of luck and a vastly improved squad over anything we've had for years has gotten us to where we are. That in itself is not being a 'bandwaggoner' or two faced or a hypocrite or even been wrong, the happy clappers post tripe and think they are untouchable with their bully tactics on the forum, fans should never fear to post criticism on this forum but the forum becomes a den of the downright disgusting behaviour by certain posters whom can't wait to jump on anyone that says something not in line with their singular/blinkered viewpoint.
Well done LR, you achieved the goals I personally saw as a minimum expectation, you turned the clubs fortunes around (ATM at least) and saved your career. If we win nothing come the end of the season how will fans feel toward things, a question i posed a few months back? Will the massively raised expectation have a negative effect IF we come away with nothing?
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Well clearly he needed time to get his team and structures in place. Fortunately Adam Pearson recognised this and stood firm in the face of some pretty unpleasant and personal criticism of his head coach.
Wiganer here, my first final was in 1959 against Hull it was there I learned 'Old Faithfull' I phoned my friend Dod in Hull and wished them well in the final, I hope I'm singing Ole Faithful again, Good Luck you deserve it this season.
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Sunshine state wrote:Wiganer here, my first final was in 1959 against Hull it was there I learned 'Old Faithfull' I phoned my friend Dod in Hull and wished them well in the final, I hope I'm singing Ole Faithful again, Good Luck you deserve it this season.
Lee Radford definitely deserves the success given the work he's put in turning the club, and his own reputation as a coach, around this season. Big shouts for Adam Pearson and Motu Tony too, their work off the field, particularly with the exceptional recruitment we've had this season, has turned us from a side scraping in to the 8 into a cup final side and (currently) top of the league.
That Widnes match will go down as being our most important game in years I feel, given how that acted as the kick up the backside which has seen us where we are right now.
Mrs Barista wrote:Well clearly he needed time to get his team and structures in place. Fortunately Adam Pearson recognised this and stood firm in the face of some pretty unpleasant and personal criticism of his head coach.
And yet almost weekly you come onto the forum on match day saying we are going to get beat when we are not playing awesome rugby, fortunately some fans have more faith in the team and the team stood firm in the face of such negativity
Do you not understand why the coach and indeed the owner were coming in for such criticism. Sack a coach getting us to 6th and a final after the Agar/Hetherington years without the benfits of a top drawer squad/halves and not the maturity of the youth system and then absolute dross for two years? Can you not see why that drives fans to act in a certain way?
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knockersbumpMKII wrote:And yet almost weekly you come onto the forum on match day saying we are going to get beat when we are not playing awesome rugby, fortunately some fans have more faith in the team and the team stood firm in the face of such negativity
Do you not understand why the coach and indeed the owner were coming in for such criticism. Sack a coach getting us to 6th and a final after the Agar/Hetherington years without the benfits of a top drawer squad/halves and not the maturity of the youth system and then absolute dross for two years? Can you not see why that drives fans to act in a certain way?
Not sure that overhauling recruitment and structures to the extent required should have been expected to yield instant results. Fortunately AP could see foundations were being put in place for a medium term return even if some sections of support were unable to do so and resorted to demanding action which, with hindsight, may have been sheer folly.
As for me, well, make your mind up. Can I be a happy clapper and a negativist concurrently? Or am I someone who simply hopes for the best, expects the worst and takes what comes? Which has been pretty spectacular for the most part this year with the "steaming gap toothed turd" at the helm. Loving every moment of it.
knockersbumpMKII wrote:And yet almost weekly you come onto the forum on match day saying we are going to get beat when we are not playing awesome rugby, fortunately some fans have more faith in the team and the team stood firm in the face of such negativity
Do you not understand why the coach and indeed the owner were coming in for such criticism. Sack a coach getting us to 6th and a final after the Agar/Hetherington years without the benfits of a top drawer squad/halves and not the maturity of the youth system and then absolute dross for two years? Can you not see why that drives fans to act in a certain way?
Did you just say that; "fans having faith; bloody hell.
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