Joined: Jun 28 2002 Posts: 11184 Location: Castleford
MR FRISK wrote:It was a toss up between Hull and Huddersfield for the worst ever SL team that year and IF Hull were relegated they would have not merged with Gateshead and you would not have got a new stadium and the club would have folded.
Just a few pointers for you:
1) In 1999 we knew we were in the financial doodoos thanks to Lloyd's antics. We made an application to the RFL to drop down a league, the same league as KR, and rebuild from there. Barry Lilley asked all the chairmen in that league to vote against it. Enough did and our application was rejected. This was when Shane Richardson decided to move his money from Gateshead to Hull, where he knew the fan base to sustain a SL club was based. It was the then KR chairman's bitterness towards us that actually helped us to survive, how ironic. 2) The KC Stadium was nothing to do with our league position, it was built with community money and would've needed both us and City to make it viable whichever leagues we were in. 3) The obsession with the merger with Gateshead from the dark side is really quite pathetic. We had financial difficulties due to poor management and Shane Richardson saw an opportunity, one he wasn't getting from Gateshead. At least we didn't go into administration meaning all our debtors lost vast amounts of money unlike KR.
Black 'n' White's Best Female 2006 & Runner Up 2007 & 2008 "We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club", A Pearson 23/09/2011
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Karen wrote:Just a few pointers for you:
1) In 1999 we knew we were in the financial doodoos thanks to Lloyd's antics. We made an application to the RFL to drop down a league, the same league as KR, and rebuild from there. Barry Lilley asked all the chairmen in that league to vote against it. Enough did and our application was rejected. This was when Shane Richardson decided to move his money from Gateshead to Hull, where he knew the fan base to sustain a SL club was based. It was the then KR chairman's bitterness towards us that actually helped us to survive, how ironic. 2) The KC Stadium was nothing to do with our league position, it was built with community money and would've needed both us and City to make it viable whichever leagues we were in. 3) The obsession with the merger with Gateshead from the dark side is really quite pathetic. We had financial difficulties due to poor management and Shane Richardson saw an opportunity, one he wasn't getting from Gateshead. At least we didn't go into administration meaning all our debtors lost vast amounts of money unlike KR.
A legitimate narrative, but...
1) This was a period when SL was an independent entity and was perceived as acting with a high hand towards the rest of the game. Those other chairmen weren't compelled to do what Lilley suggested, and I suspect he was pushing at an open door. The bitterness was widespread, in a sport divided against itself. Worth remembering, as Marwan Koucash pushes for a new SL breakaway, IMO. 2) 'Community money' sounds like a New Labourism, but a fair point. 'Community investment' has helped other clubs, at other times, including my own. 3) Mr Frisk would appear to be a Wigan fan. I dunno, but perhaps he was just making a 'sliding doors' point? It's history now - like when you gazumped us to take over the Boulevard (that's my favourite 'what if?').
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1) In 1999 we knew we were in the financial doodoos thanks to Lloyd's antics. We made an application to the RFL to drop down a league, the same league as KR, and rebuild from there. Barry Lilley asked all the chairmen in that league to vote against it. Enough did and our application was rejected. This was when Shane Richardson decided to move his money from Gateshead to Hull, where he knew the fan base to sustain a SL club was based. It was the then KR chairman's bitterness towards us that actually helped us to survive, how ironic. 2) The KC Stadium was nothing to do with our league position, it was built with community money and would've needed both us and City to make it viable whichever leagues we were in. 3) The obsession with the merger with Gateshead from the dark side is really quite pathetic. We had financial difficulties due to poor management and Shane Richardson saw an opportunity, one he wasn't getting from Gateshead. At least we didn't go into administration meaning all our debtors lost vast amounts of money unlike KR.
How did we get roped into this.
Don't think the original poster is anything to do with us, should be bringing up salary points deductions and the signing of Mr Fielden to avoid relegation as a counter
Joined: Jun 28 2002 Posts: 11184 Location: Castleford
Mild Rover wrote:A legitimate narrative, but...
1) This was a period when SL was an independent entity and was perceived as acting with a high hand towards the rest of the game. Those other chairmen weren't compelled to do what Lilley suggested, and I suspect he was pushing at an open door. The bitterness was widespread, in a sport divided against itself. Worth remembering, as Marwan Koucash pushes for a new SL breakaway, IMO. 2) 'Community money' sounds like a New Labourism, but a fair point. 'Community investment' has helped other clubs, at other times, including my own. 3) Mr Frisk would appear to be a Wigan fan. I dunno, but perhaps he was just making a 'sliding doors' point? It's history now - like when you gazumped us to take over the Boulevard (that's my favourite 'what if?').
1) It scares the hell out of me that people actually think that a breakaway league is a good idea. There isn't the money to go round now, people have a very idealistic idea of what would happen should we stick 2 fingers up at the RFL. 2) It does, I agree, but my point was that is was built using share money which legally had to be ploughed back into the community. Where would any of us be without a bit of help from the Council in varying guises? 3) I now realise that, if I had earlier I would've made reference to their "Let's openly and blatantly break the salary cap to survive relegation" year
Black 'n' White's Best Female 2006 & Runner Up 2007 & 2008 "We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club", A Pearson 23/09/2011
Joined: Jun 28 2002 Posts: 11184 Location: Castleford
barham red wrote:How did we get roped into this.
Don't think the original poster is anything to do with us, should be bringing up salary points deductions and the signing of Mr Fielden to avoid relegation as a counter
Hahaha, see my above post!!!
Black 'n' White's Best Female 2006 & Runner Up 2007 & 2008 "We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club", A Pearson 23/09/2011
Karen wrote:1) It scares the hell out of me that people actually think that a breakaway league is a good idea. There isn't the money to go round now, people have a very idealistic idea of what would happen should we stick 2 fingers up at the RFL. 2) It does, I agree, but my point was that is was built using share money which legally had to be ploughed back into the community. Where would any of us be without a bit of help from the Council in varying guises? 3) I now realise that, if I had earlier I would've made reference to their "Let's openly and blatantly break the salary cap to survive relegation" year
Joined: Jun 28 2002 Posts: 11184 Location: Castleford
bishops finger wrote:Apologies accepted
You're welcome
Black 'n' White's Best Female 2006 & Runner Up 2007 & 2008 "We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club", A Pearson 23/09/2011
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