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 Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:36 am 
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I think there is a bigger problem. I don't believe AP is that blind, but I do think he is refusing to throw any more money at terminating contracts, including LR.

Which would suggest to me he's not prepared to spend anymore money on the club and he wants out, or he is actually skint (unlikely).

If I was AP I would want out, I don't really have any emotional tie to the club, it's losing money hand over fist as a business, I have failed several time to get it right despite lumping large amounts of money on players and coaches and can't afford to lose anymore, I'm losing the fan base, the latest coach I've employed is a luddite and causing me sleepless nights and the stadium we play in is ran by a megalomaniac.

The only option he has, and it's the one most of us want to see, is LR paid off and a 'top' coach come in - both off which require further investment from him and brings no guarantee of success. Isn't gonna happen.

Of course some will say well if he doesn't then no season tickets will be bought for next year and then he will be in financial trouble. Perhaps he already knows that and is working on an exit strategy? The Sheff Wed role could be part of that?

The article reads of desperation either way.






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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:40 am 
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Mrs Barista wrote:What did you expect him to say in the papers two days before an important game? The coach is on the brink, sacked on Saturday if we lose?


I expected him to keep his counsel....

Judging by his interview, I get the impression he will not change the
coach regardless of league position & performance.

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Jimmy Carr wrote:I think there is a bigger problem. I don't believe AP is that blind, but I do think he is refusing to throw any more money at terminating contracts, including LR.

Which would suggest to me he's not prepared to spend anymore money on the club and he wants out, or he is actually skint (unlikely).

If I was AP I would want out, I don't really have any emotional tie to the club, it's losing money hand over fist as a business, I have failed several time to get it right despite lumping large amounts of money on players and coaches and can't afford to lose anymore, I'm losing the fan base, the latest coach I've employed is a luddite and causing me sleepless nights and the stadium we play in is ran by a megalomaniac.

The only option he has, and it's the one most of us want to see, is LR paid off and a 'top' coach come in - both off which require further investment from him and brings no guarantee of success. Isn't gonna happen.

Of course some will say well if he doesn't then no season tickets will be bought for next year and then he will be in financial trouble. Perhaps he already knows that and is working on an exit strategy? The Sheff Wed role could be part of that?

The article reads of desperation either way.


Good assessment. Pretty clear the sack Radford to bring in Smith and McNamara (or similar) scenario proposed by some is pure delusion.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:44 am 
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weaver93 wrote:I expected him to keep his counsel....

Judging by his interview, I get the impression he will not change the
coach regardless of league position & performance.

He's acknowledged performances aren't good enough and said everyone needs to man up. The "vote of confidence" in a coach (and the wording's not unequivocal, working hard isn't gushing praise) is hardly a new phenomenon.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:45 am 
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Well that's me out for Friday , thanks Adam for making my mind up.






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IF Pearson thinks the inclusion of Ellis & Westerman, will make us play
razzle dazzle champagne RL, he's badly mistaken -IMO.

IF, and thats a BIG IF, Radford was sacked, I'm fairly sure he
would either appoint Last or Horne... - or both.

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 Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:48 am 
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I renewed my pass this season to support Adam Pearson. I was disappointed when Gentle was sacked, even more disappointed with Radford's appointment and didn't really enjoy a lot of last season's games.

Whilst I acknowledge Adam has to be careful what he says in the press if he really believes in half of what he says in that interview I won't be renewing next season.

I've responded to Adam's rallying cries once too often and now feel badly let down and disillusioned

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hull smallears wrote:I have never wanted Radford as Captain, or head coach. I want him gone.
Yet - when Pearson blames the players I am sort of inclined to agree slightly, unless you believe that Radford is deliberately saying to players to not score tries. Surely some of the responsibility lies with them, after all, we get up the pitch seemingly with no drama at all!


I also believe some of the players need to take a look at themselves and if and I don't know for sure though that some of them like us have become disillusioned with Radford and his coaching methods would you perform to your full ability for a manager you had no confidence in?

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Mrs Barista wrote:Not sure what's controversial here.

Acknowledging performance concerns whilst asking fans to support the club.

Citing the upcoming game as important. Well we could reach the giddy heights of 9th depending on other results so yeah, it's important

Saying everyone including him need to have a word with themselves. Indeed.

Backing Radford. Not really advisable to publicly start pulling the rug from under him this week, is it?

I'm glad there's been an open recognition of the state we're in and am not party to what's been said internally obviously, but can't see what's inflammatory in what he's said. Were people expecting him to single out Radford as the only underperformer and say he's got one game to save his job? Or that stayaways have no financial impact on the club? Hmm..

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hull smallears wrote:I have never wanted Radford as Captain, or head coach. I want him gone.
Yet - when Pearson blames the players I am sort of inclined to agree slightly, unless you believe that Radford is deliberately saying to players to not score tries. Surely some of the responsibility lies with them, after all, we get up the pitch seemingly with no drama at all!


Pretty simplistic view that, if all a coach has to do is say 'go score loads of tries' and if the players don't then its their fault? If they do he's a genius. Think I could do that.

Think you need to look at what makes a top coach a top coach, motivation, training techniques, providing a nurturing environment, discipline, understanding and having a plan for the opposition, creating a playing ethos, hard work, financial backing and luck. Some people are cut out for this and others maybe aren't?

I listened to Radfords post match a few weeks ago after a loss and paraphrasing he said something along the lines of 'if you get in the positions to score enough times the team should score some points' I thought at the tiime that I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

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