Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:12 am
Doc Brown
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Tinkerman23 wrote:Yeh because its so exciting, and completely pointless, I was bored, like you must be responding to it. Your response added so much, well done.
Please don't derail a thread just because you don't find it interesting. If you don't have anything to say, don't post.
Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:13 am
Errlee Berd
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Tinkerman23 wrote:Yeh because its so exciting, and completely pointless, I was bored, like you must be responding to it. Your response added so much, well done.
Then why post?
Some of us (like me) are number geeks and find this kind of thing sadly interesting.
Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:16 am
carl_spackler
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If the club think the tight margins are being overlooked, they need to realise it's because it has developed into a consistent theme. A certain amount of leeway was given at first last season, but then gradually eroded away. With no change this term fans are understandably at the end of their tethers and making less allowances for what is now a consistent problem that is not being rectified.
Also another point to consider: In 3 of the 4 narrow losses, we were the last team to score and therefore narrow the gap, so there is an element of adding respectability to the scoreline without necessarily looking like being on the verge of winning.
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Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:21 am
Doc Brown
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Dave K. wrote:Is our defence that good, we have made the 10th most tackles but have missed the 3rd most, I reckon our tackles to missed ratio must be one of the worst in the league, we are only making less tackles than other teams as in most games we have more possession as our errors are low, the problem is that we can't turn our possession advantage into points.
I don't have any stats to back this up so it's just my opinion but I personally think our defence is quite good for the most part but we do seem to have points in games were it seems to fall apart a bit. We need to improve the attack though because defence doesn't put points on the board.
Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:27 am
SirStan
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carl_spackler wrote:I the club think the tight margins are being overlooked, they need to realise it's because it has developed into a consistent theme. .
I can empathise completely with this. At the tail end of the 2012 season Rovers suffered 5 straight losses by 6 or less points. Sandercock leapt on this as some sort of vindication of the job he was doing, whereas it just narked most of the fans off even more. A win is a win, a loss, a loss. It's that black & white (no pun intended) to your average fan.
Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:31 am
Doc Brown
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carl_spackler wrote:I the club think the tight margins are being overlooked, they need to realise it's because it has developed into a consistent theme. A certain amount of leeway was given at first last season, but then gradually eroded away. With no change this term fans are understandably at the end of their tethers and making less allowances for what is not a consistent problem that is not being rectified.
Yes. I think the club thinks that because it's tight margins that we're on the verge of turning that around and once we push on that everything's going to look different, hence them feeling that the fans need to be patient and understanding. But as you say, a lot of us are at the end of our tethers now because we feel we should have pushed on already seeing as it was the same last year.
Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:32 am
Tinkerman23
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carl_spackler wrote:I the club think the tight margins are being overlooked, they need to realise it's because it has developed into a consistent theme. A certain amount of leeway was given at first last season, but then gradually eroded away. With no change this term fans are understandably at the end of their tethers and making less allowances for what is not a consistent problem that is not being rectified.
Also another point to consider: In 3 of the 4 narrow losses, we were the last team to score and therefore narrow the gap, so there is an element of adding respectability to the scoreline without necessarily looking like being on the verge of winning.
Exactly, have we actually looked like winning any of the games that have been close on the score board! Think the answer is no on most occasions this year and last
Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:35 am
BoothferryBoy
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In how many of those close defeats can we honestly say we were the better team? Generally have we not just been hanging in there with no real prospects of a victory ?
Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:35 am
carl_spackler
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Dave K. wrote:Is our defence that good, we have made the 10th most tackles but have missed the 3rd most, I reckon our tackles to missed ratio must be one of the worst in the league, we are only making less tackles than other teams as in most games we have more possession as our errors are low, the problem is that we can't turn our possession advantage into points.
Good point well made. With the possession and position we are having, we should be bemoaning that our points difference isn't better, not championing that we're only getting beaten by a bit most weeks.
Although the big stats that point fairly and squarely at it being down to our attack and the defence is ok is that we have the worst points scored and lowest number of tries scored in the league, but our defence is actually 5th. A worrying comparison is to look at Huddersfield. We beat them 19-0, so that was a 38 point advantage we had on them. Not only have they reeled that in, they've added another 52. So in 6 games, they've been +90 better than us, 15 points a game. But we should give credit for us keeping things tight.
Post subject: Re: Margins of Defeat and Tight Table
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:12 pm
Dave K.
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The league is tight though, a win against Rovers could see us 7th. Apart from Leeds and Saints, no team has been consistent (Particularly away from home).
Any team who could start been more consistent and pick up a few away wins has a real chance of a top 4 finish this year.
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