Post subject: Re: Hull bid to host 2013 Rugby League World Cup games
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:20 pm
arliebird
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great news for hull, can see the kc getting used for say aussie vs fiji or ireland coz the rfl know that it would be well supported but i would hope for england against either fiji or ireland. again i think craven park may be used because the rfl know it will be supported well but this is along as the stadium is redeveloped. i do hope that the hull public get right behind it and support it well and fill these stadiums
Post subject: Re: Hull bid to host 2013 Rugby League World Cup games
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:30 am
R.B.A
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FC Wembley 08 wrote:We might get Ryan Giggs, he's a big RL fan..... he might bring Becks along and get him involved!!
More likely to support any potential Swinton/Salford bid i would have thought. We will probably end up with Deb Stephenson and Victoria Wood backing ours.
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Post subject: Re: Hull bid to host 2013 Rugby League World Cup games
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:33 am
FC Wembley 08
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R.B.A wrote:More likely to support any potential Swinton/Salford bid i would have thought. We will probably end up with Deb Stephenson and Victoria Wood backing ours.
Nice one, that's us flopped then!!!
EL CAMO wrote:The majority of fans at Craven Park...are idiots who know nothing about the game.
Post subject: Re: Hull bid to host 2013 Rugby League World Cup games
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:45 am
sandy
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Dnats Ynnepeerht wrote:The RFL would be daft not to have some games played in Hull.
If Stanley Gene is still the coach of PNG, get one of their games at Craven Park, market it as 'Gene's Return' and sell tickets for £10 and £5, their game vs Samoa or France.
England home games should be played at bigger venues, not the 25k KC. Use the KC for games such as NZ v France, Australia v Ireland or a quarter final not involving England.
We need to think bigger than previous years, don't have England at places like The Keepmoat, get them at Wembley for the first game, Old Trafford/Anfield/Elland Road for group/knockout games, and back to Wembley for the final.
I have to admire your optimism but having been to the last 3 world cups including the oz one I have to say there isn't the interest in international rugby league to warrant taking the games to bigger venues, at least until we have a lot more than 2 competitive teams. The main reason the 2000 world cup was such a flop was due to taking games to expansionist areas and playing in empty stadiums. There is no evidence to suggest that england against anybody can fill the usual stadiums like wigan, huddersfield and leeds, the KC apart if recent 4 nations comps are anything to go by. Taking a game to Wembley and having 70000 seats empty does nobody any good.
All the games for me should be played on existing club grounds in front of reasonably full stadiums only then will the world cup look like having any credibility if that means sticking to the heartlands then so be it, if we go down the route of wales playing infront of 4000 in the millenium stadium or scotland playing in front of 3 men and monaghan's dog at a public school in glasgow then the competition is lost before it begins. The KC must get a high profile England game and Craven Park one of the lesser games imho.
Post subject: Re: Hull bid to host 2013 Rugby League World Cup games
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:08 pm
Wellsy13
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sandy wrote:I have to admire your optimism but having been to the last 3 world cups including the oz one I have to say there isn't the interest in international rugby league to warrant taking the games to bigger venues, at least until we have a lot more than 2 competitive teams. The main reason the 2000 world cup was such a flop was due to taking games to expansionist areas and playing in empty stadiums. There is no evidence to suggest that england against anybody can fill the usual stadiums like wigan, huddersfield and leeds, the KC apart if recent 4 nations comps are anything to go by. Taking a game to Wembley and having 70000 seats empty does nobody any good.
All the games for me should be played on existing club grounds in front of reasonably full stadiums only then will the world cup look like having any credibility if that means sticking to the heartlands then so be it, if we go down the route of wales playing infront of 4000 in the millenium stadium or scotland playing in front of 3 men and monaghan's dog at a public school in glasgow then the competition is lost before it begins. The KC must get a high profile England game and Craven Park one of the lesser games imho.
Just because a game gets 20,000 at one venue doesn't mean it will get 20,000 at another. 22k turned up for poorly advertised game between England and Australia last year in the 4N. Maybe people are getting fed up of the same old tiny venues? I know I am. I know I'd definitely go to Wembley to see England play Aus, and know that I'd only go to Wigan if I could be bothered around the time.
The key is to make events. Unfortunately that is something the RFL lack in. They've been in the comfort zone for too long playing games at the usual 25k grounds. Only twice in 10 years have they tried something new (GB vs Aus at Manchester and GB vs NZ at Loftus Road). You know what they say, if you don't try to move forwards, you'll be going backwards.
Post subject: Re: Hull bid to host 2013 Rugby League World Cup games
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:26 pm
Dnats Ynnepeerht
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Wellsy13 wrote:Just because a game gets 20,000 at one venue doesn't mean it will get 20,000 at another. 22k turned up for poorly advertised game between England and Australia last year in the 4N. Maybe people are getting fed up of the same old tiny venues? I know I am. I know I'd definitely go to Wembley to see England play Aus, and know that I'd only go to Wigan if I could be bothered around the time.
The key is to make events. Unfortunately that is something the RFL lack in. They've been in the comfort zone for too long playing games at the usual 25k grounds. Only twice in 10 years have they tried something new (GB vs Aus at Manchester and GB vs NZ at Loftus Road). You know what they say, if you don't try to move forwards, you'll be going backwards.
Exactly!
80,000+ travel to 'expansion areas' for the Challenge Cup Final and 50,000ish for the magic weekends. This proves people are willing to travel for their clubs, we just need them to take on the same kind of loyalty and excitement about their country.
Playing at the DW infront of 22,000, as Wellsy says, is not an event, and not anything to get excited for.
They should announce the opening game as soon as possible, make it England vs Australia at Wembley. Make Englands next two group games/Quarter Final game at medium sized stadiums within a fairly close distance to the heartlands (Elland Rd, Eastlands, etc), semi at Old Trafford and the final back at Wembley.
Announcing the venues within the next three months would give fans two and a half years to buy their tickets and plan their weekends. Sell the tickets fairly cheap and through the clubs and pack the venues out.
Post subject: Re: Hull bid to host 2013 Rugby League World Cup games
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:53 pm
arliebird
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Dnats Ynnepeerht wrote:Exactly!
80,000+ travel to 'expansion areas' for the Challenge Cup Final and 50,000ish for the magic weekends. This proves people are willing to travel for their clubs, we just need them to take on the same kind of loyalty and excitement about their country.
Playing at the DW infront of 22,000, as Wellsy says, is not an event, and not anything to get excited for.
They should announce the opening game as soon as possible, make it England vs Australia at Wembley. Make Englands next two group games/Quarter Final game at medium sized stadiums within a fairly close distance to the heartlands (Elland Rd, Eastlands, etc), semi at Old Trafford and the final back at Wembley.
Announcing the venues within the next three months would give fans two and a half years to buy their tickets and plan their weekends. Sell the tickets fairly cheap and through the clubs and pack the venues out.
good points, the rfl need to announce stadiums and host cities as soon as possible think it says in paper that hull will found out in january wether they will hosts games so hopefully others will be announced. personally id have the final at old trafford, england v aussie at brammel lane- right size stadia, 30 odd thousand capacity just right, in a big city in the heartlands.
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