Post subject: Re: If Agar Stays Until Next Season & Fails, Rule Has To Go Too
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:06 pm
Jake the Peg
International Chairman
Joined: Mar 22 2007 Posts: 30290
Uncle Junior wrote:Hi Everyone,
First of all I'd like to introduce myself, I'm 26 years of age and I've been a full-time FC fan for 5 or 6 years now, although I have fond memories of being taken to the Boulevard as a child by my grandad. Due to the fact I'm usually based in West Yorkshire I am unable to attend every match but I would say on average I make it to around 50% of games per season, the majority of which are away games.
I've read this message board with interest for a number of years but have never felt compelled to post myself until now, so aswell as saying hello I want to take the opportunity to lay my cards on the table with regards to my feelings over the current goings on at the club.
I should start by saying I'm a firm member of the 'Agar Out' society. Without wanting to go over too much ground thats already been covered on this board at length, I could see no justification for appointing the man in the first place and since he was given the role I cannot see a single shred of evidence to suggest that he should remain in the role. The man is clearly out of his depth and has failed to demonstrate any tactical awareness or motivational skills in his time in charge and it is my opinion that him and his assistant Jon Sharpe are essentially running the club into the ground.
Agar's sympathisers continue to trot out the 'it's not his team' line and suggest just because some better players have been signed for next season that he 'deserves a chance' to manage that side. I am not prepared to tolerate my beloved team being used as a guinea pig and personally don't feel that Agar deserves much credit at all for next season's signings, anyone with even limited knowledge of our sport could see where the major shortcomings in our squad are, and the line given to us by Mr Rule that Agar was instrumental in persuading these players to sign is frankly nonsense in my opinion, these players have come for the money and/or length of the deal on the table, which is the nature of our sport these days. I will leave it there with my feelings on Agar but I could go on for hours (he can't speak properly, looks scruffy, insults the fans etc etc etc).
Anyway the main point of this post is that Rule (a man I also feel is way way out of his depth) has backed Agar to such a ridiculous extent, with his 'chef's ingredients' analogys etc (Agar isn't fit to be a pot washer!) that he must take responsibility himself. I feel that because Rule has tolerated a win % of 30 odd percent, increasingly appalling performances on the pitch and regression in the abilities of our better players that if he gets his wish and Agar is allowed to stay until next season he has to resign himself when Agar inevitably falls on his sword a few games into next season. By this point it will be a 3rd season down the drain and the extent to which Rule has backed this no-hoper means he is just as responsible as Agar for our downfall and would surely have to go himself.
Apologies for the length of this post, I look forward to any responses and future debates on this forum!
Thanks for reading, Uncle Junior
Great post which echoes my own sentiments. I actually blame rule more than agar for the current state of the club. After all, he is the one who appointed him and continues to back him. 2 very poor appoitments from the club for me which epitomise the lack of vision within the club
PAUL M wrote:I disagree with you about the signings, I know at least one of the signings had a better offer than ours but choose to come to Hull after speaking to Agar.
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If you mean long, he was always unlikely to sign for saints' arch rivals, especially when they're coached by a man he doesn't get on with
Post subject: Re: If Agar Stays Until Next Season & Fails, Rule Has To Go Too
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:19 pm
Uncle Junior
Player Coach
Joined: Jul 22 2009 Posts: 591
Jake the Peg wrote:Great post which echoes my own sentiments. I actually blame rule more than agar for the current state of the club. After all, he is the one who appointed him and continues to back him. 2 very poor appoitments from the club for me which epitomise the lack of vision within the club
Couldn't agree more!
Hull FC Est.1865... Surviving without a Head Coach since 2008
Downtheante said: "Firstly: Why shouldn't I compare him (Agar) to Fergie (Sir Alex Ferguson)?"
What confuses me is. Sharp had a better win % then Agar, and had had notable success with us, GF in 06 and 4th in 07. Yes, 08 was not looking good and he had 'lost the dressing room' but he like Agar had the Franchise safety blanket also so we wouldnt of being relegated last year. We played better rugby under Sharp, though I admit it still wasnt great. It just seems like one rule for one and one for another...pardon the pun
andymacca wrote:What confuses me is. Sharp had a better win % then Agar, and had had notable success with us, GF in 06 and 4th in 07. Yes, 08 was not looking good and he had 'lost the dressing room' but he like Agar had the Franchise safety blanket also so we wouldnt of being relegated last year. We played better rugby under Sharp, though I admit it still wasnt great. It just seems like one rule for one and one for another...pardon the pun
Sharp didnt lose the dressing room, pretty much every player you talk to has nothing but praise for him as a coach.
andymacca wrote:What confuses me is. Sharp had a better win % then Agar, and had had notable success with us, GF in 06 and 4th in 07. Yes, 08 was not looking good and he had 'lost the dressing room' but he like Agar had the Franchise safety blanket also so we wouldnt of being relegated last year. We played better rugby under Sharp, though I admit it still wasnt great. It just seems like one rule for one and one for another...pardon the pun
Again I couldn't agree more, basically Rule has exhonerated Agar of any responsibility for the results of the last season and a half since he appointed him. It's completely baffling and as if Agar has something on Rule that makes him scared to sack him.
Rule's comments on his radio show about Agar & Sharp being 'two of the most tactically astute coaches he's ever met' (or words to that effect) astound me. I'l give him credit where it's due with regard to our off the field development, but as far as knowledge of RL goes, the man is clueless!
Hull FC Est.1865... Surviving without a Head Coach since 2008
Downtheante said: "Firstly: Why shouldn't I compare him (Agar) to Fergie (Sir Alex Ferguson)?"
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