Post subject: Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 7:20 am
The Dentist Wilf
Player Coach
Joined: Dec 07 2005 Posts: 7416
I found this interview with Steve Michaels pretty heartening. Trouble is I'm starting to think that if our new coach joins the ever increasing line of failures in that position, I doubt anyone can sort us out. He appears to be our best hope and will prove to be I hope an inspired appointment!
I found this interview with Steve Michaels pretty heartening. Trouble is I'm starting to think that if our new coach joins the ever increasing line of failures in that position, I doubt anyone can sort us out. He appears to be our best hope and will prove to be I hope an inspired appointment!
Post subject: Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 7:52 am
mwindass
Player Coach
Joined: Nov 19 2008 Posts: 5396
The Dentist Wilf wrote:I found this interview with Steve Michaels pretty heartening. Trouble is I'm starting to think that if our new coach joins the ever increasing line of failures in that position, I doubt anyone can sort us out. He appears to be our best hope and will prove to be I hope an inspired appointment!
Will we be a top 4 team? No. I imagine we'll still be a bottom 6 team, but I'd like to think we'll be 'in' more games next year.
Last season was the perfect storm, a coach at the end of his shelf life and an incredibly bad recruitment cycle. No way we are that stinky next year.
The Dentist Wilf wrote:I found this interview with Steve Michaels pretty heartening. Trouble is I'm starting to think that if our new coach joins the ever increasing line of failures in that position, I doubt anyone can sort us out. He appears to be our best hope and will prove to be I hope an inspired appointment!
Post subject: Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:41 am
Chris71
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Joined: Jan 30 2004 Posts: 8207 Location: Never never land away with the fairies
The Dentist Wilf wrote:I found this interview with Steve Michaels pretty heartening. Trouble is I'm starting to think that if our new coach joins the ever increasing line of failures in that position, I doubt anyone can sort us out. He appears to be our best hope and will prove to be I hope an inspired appointment!
Irregular Hoops wrote:Certainly feels like the last chance saloon to finally instill a good culture at the club.
If Cartwright can't turn it round, not sure what options will be left to try!
mwindass wrote:
The Dentist Wilf wrote:I found this interview with Steve Michaels pretty heartening. Trouble is I'm starting to think that if our new coach joins the ever increasing line of failures in that position, I doubt anyone can sort us out. He appears to be our best hope and will prove to be I hope an inspired appointment!
Will we be a top 4 team? No. I imagine we'll still be a bottom 6 team, but I'd like to think we'll be 'in' more games next year.
Last season was the perfect storm, a coach at the end of his shelf life and an incredibly bad recruitment cycle. No way we are that stinky next year.
I hopeful it shows that the board at Hull FC have finally found that missing piece of the puzzle and realised the importance of having a top quality Coach with a proper back room staff. Think it was blatantly obvious early on under Smith he wasn't the right man along with Gene, for me desire was severely lacking in him and that emanated and festered throughout the club which already had issues with attitude/application.
Looking at things objectively with the information to hand Cartwright is a proven and strong Coach who has been and is still very influential at the top level of the game, he is known to be very knowledgeable of game as a whole, being a good communicator, man manager, a Coach that commands respect and does not suffer fools or people who are not prepared to put in the required effort be it during a game, training or club matter.
I'm hopeful with the arrival of Cartwright the dog will now finally wag it's tail as opposed to the tail wagging the dog.
I think the majority of fans expectations are and will be realistic for 2025 with most not expecting to challenge for a top 6 spot. I think in general we all want to see improvement in the basic skill set, the little effort areas & discipline for example along with evidence of structure being implemented in to the fabric of the on field side of the club.
Time will tell I guess if the rebuild process will be a success, but as always hope springs eternal.
The Dentist Wilf wrote:I found this interview with Steve Michaels pretty heartening. Trouble is I'm starting to think that if our new coach joins the ever increasing line of failures in that position, I doubt anyone can sort us out. He appears to be our best hope and will prove to be I hope an inspired appointment!
Irregular Hoops wrote:Certainly feels like the last chance saloon to finally instill a good culture at the club.
If Cartwright can't turn it round, not sure what options will be left to try!
mwindass wrote:
The Dentist Wilf wrote:I found this interview with Steve Michaels pretty heartening. Trouble is I'm starting to think that if our new coach joins the ever increasing line of failures in that position, I doubt anyone can sort us out. He appears to be our best hope and will prove to be I hope an inspired appointment!
Will we be a top 4 team? No. I imagine we'll still be a bottom 6 team, but I'd like to think we'll be 'in' more games next year.
Last season was the perfect storm, a coach at the end of his shelf life and an incredibly bad recruitment cycle. No way we are that stinky next year.
I hopeful it shows that the board at Hull FC have finally found that missing piece of the puzzle and realised the importance of having a top quality Coach with a proper back room staff. Think it was blatantly obvious early on under Smith he wasn't the right man along with Gene, for me desire was severely lacking in him and that emanated and festered throughout the club which already had issues with attitude/application.
Looking at things objectively with the information to hand Cartwright is a proven and strong Coach who has been and is still very influential at the top level of the game, he is known to be very knowledgeable of game as a whole, being a good communicator, man manager, a Coach that commands respect and does not suffer fools or people who are not prepared to put in the required effort be it during a game, training or club matter.
I'm hopeful with the arrival of Cartwright the dog will now finally wag it's tail as opposed to the tail wagging the dog.
I think the majority of fans expectations are and will be realistic for 2025 with most not expecting to challenge for a top 6 spot. I think in general we all want to see improvement in the basic skill set, the little effort areas & discipline for example along with evidence of structure being implemented in to the fabric of the on field side of the club.
Time will tell I guess if the rebuild process will be a success, but as always hope springs eternal.
I really enjoy long walks especially when they are taken by people I don't like!
Post subject: Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:34 am
Offy86
Club Captain
Joined: Apr 29 2019 Posts: 102
For me, I want Cartwright to instill pride in playing, passion for winning, want to be hard to beat, be in games, not have blow out scores, super fit, hard working team and still be in with a shout of the playoffs come the last round. That's what I'm wanting from him and the players.
Do all those things and you'll have the support from the fans, show we are going in the right direction and change is happening
Post subject: Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 1:33 pm
Roam Ranger
Academy Player
Joined: Mar 16 2024 Posts: 370
UllFC wrote:Agree about it being odd it's taking so long, it's quite a simple business one owner/shareholder no physical assets etc. I don't know long it took Adam to buy from Kath because it was kept under wraps but it seemed to happen quickly.
Thought this was worth addressing even though it's over a week old now. I think I have posted about this before but if you look on Companies House, Hull FC (2011) Limited was incorporated on 12th May 2011 (originally under the name Gellaw 332 Limited). I have never really understood the nature of this but I have always presumed that this company was set up to facilitate the purchase of the actual club (Hull Super League Limited) which has Adam Pearson listed as a director/owner from 19th July 2011.
So that to me suggests that it took just over two months for AP to buy the club. But I would presume that the Hull FC (2011) Limited company was only created once talks had advanced far enough for a formal offer to be placed for the club. Who knows how long he may have been talking and negotiating prior to that. As you say, it was all kept under wraps.
To be fair to them this time, whether it's a takeover or investment, it's still been kept under wraps because we know very little. The difference this time is that we know we have been seeking investment whereas back when AP bought the club I'm not sure there was even any hints that the club might be for sale or anything like that.
Post subject: Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:35 pm
UllFC
Club Owner
Joined: Mar 27 2004 Posts: 17301
Roam Ranger wrote:Thought this was worth addressing even though it's over a week old now. I think I have posted about this before but if you look on Companies House, Hull FC (2011) Limited was incorporated on 12th May 2011 (originally under the name Gellaw 332 Limited). I have never really understood the nature of this but I have always presumed that this company was set up to facilitate the purchase of the actual club (Hull Super League Limited) which has Adam Pearson listed as a director/owner from 19th July 2011.
So that to me suggests that it took just over two months for AP to buy the club. But I would presume that the Hull FC (2011) Limited company was only created once talks had advanced far enough for a formal offer to be placed for the club. Who knows how long he may have been talking and negotiating prior to that. As you say, it was all kept under wraps.
To be fair to them this time, whether it's a takeover or investment, it's still been kept under wraps because we know very little. The difference this time is that we know we have been seeking investment whereas back when AP bought the club I'm not sure there was even any hints that the club might be for sale or anything like that.
The last takeover was a complete surprise, I was driving when it came on the radio and nearly crashed the car in shock. We never will know how long it took but Kath and co invested heavily in signings for 2010 (Long, O'Meley, Fitzgibbon) so presume selling wasn't being thought about until 2011.
I've also never got my head around what 'HullFC2011' is about, if it was just to facilitate the last takeover surely it would have bene shut years ago? But im not experienced with company ownership.
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