Joined: Oct 04 2008 Posts: 21162 Location: wakefield
alegend wrote:Stayed at the club when he was getting dropped for one mistake in a match .Yet the player who took is position could do as he liked .Max should have left the then ,but took it on the chin and got on with it Will be a strange call to move on now as hopefully the club as turned the corner.
Alternatively the coach doesn't make decisions on the one incident you saw from the terrace in one game. But hey you know best I guess.
Personally think this is the best place for Max right now. He's been good but not excellent in SL before but showed signs of having much more in him. He's now had a year in Championship to hone his skills with an experienced coaching team. This is just the right time for him to achieve his full potential. If he wanted to move on in years ahead so be it, but this year is the year he sets his value.
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha
Joined: Oct 04 2008 Posts: 21162 Location: wakefield
Butcher wrote:I don’t actually think he’d be in that high demand. He’s one of those players who is completely underestimated by other clubs’ fans, and always has been, and I think if you told the average supporter Max Jowitt was potentially second in line for the England full back shirt they’d laugh in your face. And they’re all the reasons I love him. I’m desperate for him to absolutely tear it up the next couple of seasons - because with Welsby possibly being moved into the halves (once Wellens/his successor realises Tristan Sailor isn’t wise enough) he has a genuine shot at being England’s full back by the World Cup in 2026. Against, any opposition fan reading that would wet themselves, and that’s why i don’t think he’d go anywhere else for now
Completely agree. It will be to his advantage this year being a 'nobody' in SL. I hope he smashes it.
His goalkicking alone will get him noticed.
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha
He has got such an all round game. Safe under the high ball, excellent tackler and great at organising our line.
His pace also surprised me. He chased back a few times last year to stop a certain try. I think away at Batley was a good example right in front of us.
With the ball, he provides an extra dimension to our attack, and his miss out passes to the winger are top draw. His goal kicking speaks for itself!
Hopefully he has already signed. I see they have used him on another ticket advert today (magic weekend). Could be excellent marketing!
Joined: Oct 04 2008 Posts: 21162 Location: wakefield
Trinity_lurcher wrote:He has got such an all round game. Safe under the high ball, excellent tackler and great at organising our line.
His pace also surprised me. He chased back a few times last year to stop a certain try. I think away at Batley was a good example right in front of us.
With the ball, he provides an extra dimension to our attack, and his miss out passes to the winger are top draw. His goal kicking speaks for itself!
Hopefully he has already signed. I see they have used him on another ticket advert today (magic weekend). Could be excellent marketing!
His defense is his weakest point but not bad. The bit he has developed, but will need to develop further in SL is his management of the defensive line. If he wants to be an international level player, this is the development area that will take him there. His attack and especially his pass is as good if not better than anyone in SL.
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha
Butcher wrote:I don’t actually think he’d be in that high demand. He’s one of those players who is completely underestimated by other clubs’ fans, and always has been, and I think if you told the average supporter Max Jowitt was potentially second in line for the England full back shirt they’d laugh in your face. And they’re all the reasons I love him. I’m desperate for him to absolutely tear it up the next couple of seasons - because with Welsby possibly being moved into the halves (once Wellens/his successor realises Tristan Sailor isn’t wise enough) he has a genuine shot at being England’s full back by the World Cup in 2026. Against, any opposition fan reading that would wet themselves, and that’s why i don’t think he’d go anywhere else for now
I have always expected he will play for England towards back end of his career. He’s been on a steady upwards trajectory for years. He’s developed his game well and is far better than Wellsby in some of those areas such as joining the line and his pass selection ability. The only thing Wellsby has over Max is just the turn of pace after a step. An injury to Wellsby (hopefully not) or a position change and Jowitt could find himself thrust into an England shirt as you say.
I also think that he would be a big boost to edge plays and set plays in any England set up.
PopTart wrote:His defense is his weakest point but not bad. The bit he has developed, but will need to develop further in SL is his management of the defensive line. If he wants to be an international level player, this is the development area that will take him there. His attack and especially his pass is as good if not better than anyone in SL.
Maybe we are seeing different things but his management of the defensive line last season was extremely good. If you watch games back he’s constantly shepherding players where they need to be whilst placing himself in good positions in defence and attack. He’s already better in this area than the current England full back.
Perhaps he will have to show this at SL level if that is what you meant about developing further.
I genuinely believe if you stuck Max in Wellsby’s shoes he would be running saints in for many more try’s and perform better than Wellsby overall. Now he has a team that’s on the upwards trajectory for having quality and determination around him, hopefully he can do it with us next few seasons.
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Trojan Horse wrote:Maybe we are seeing different things but his management of the defensive line last season was extremely good. If you watch games back he’s constantly shepherding players where they need to be whilst placing himself in good positions in defence and attack. He’s already better in this area than the current England full back.
Perhaps he will have to show this at SL level if that is what you meant about developing further.
I genuinely believe if you stuck Max in Wellsby’s shoes he would be running saints in for many more try’s and perform better than Wellsby overall. Now he has a team that’s on the upwards trajectory for having quality and determination around him, hopefully he can do it with us next few seasons.
I actually said he'd developed this part of his game. I also said his attack is as good if not better than anyone.
So to use your oft used phrase, maybe you should go back and reread my post.
Saying that, my point is, improving your line management in the championship is great, but it isn't SL. I'm sure he will develop further under Powell but I see this as an area he has to show his improvement this year.
For England, he doesn't really have a lot of competition as most teams have an overseas full back. Welsby, Evalds, Hardaker at a push and Eckersley at Wigan as an outsider.
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha
alegend wrote:Stayed at the club when he was getting dropped for one mistake in a match .Yet the player who took is position could do as he liked .Max should have left the then ,but took it on the chin and got on with it Will be a strange call to move on now as hopefully the club as turned the corner.
Hi Butcher , with all due respect , and I aren't a Cas fan with any axe to grind , I don't think he is second in line for England . If Welsby wasn't available then I think Evalds is clear second in line for the role and a much better all round FB than Max at the moment .
That said , England 2026 WC team may be a possibility , as Evalds will be 32 and , if Max continues to improve in the meantime , he would appear to be the obvious choice as understudy to Welsby ,
Sorry 'alegend', clicked the wrong post to reply to by mistake , hence the 'Hi Butcher' start to the message
For sure, that’s exactly what I meant really, that opposition supporters (welcome!) would consider Evalds or even Brierley in front of him, but Wakey fans know he’s a better player than either of them. However, he needs a brilliant season or two in SL to prove that to kick on and get in the England squad.
Butcher wrote:For sure, that’s exactly what I meant really, that opposition supporters (welcome!) would consider Evalds or even Brierley in front of him, but Wakey fans know he’s a better player than either of them. However, he needs a brilliant season or two in SL to prove that to kick on and get in the England squad.
Again with respect , and that may be the case in a year or two , but I'm not sure many (other than Wakey fans) would consider him better than Niall at the moment. Yes , he's looked good this season , but there is a massive gulf in quality between SL and Championship rugby. Niall is proven at SL level and has been for some time now.
I think Max has the ability to be a top class FB in time , he's just not there yet and needs regular SL experience to further improve and reach his full potential , something I am sure he will do in the future.
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