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Dreamer wrote:Can moderators please leave this post intact? It is not a dig at anyone and only intended to stimulate debate.

I think most people will agree that there have been “activities” on this forum that have been a little OTT. We all support the same team and for the life of me I can’t see why we can’t all get on even if we agree to differ. There is absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing with an others opinion, lively debate and even taking the micky are all part of life’s rich tapestry.

I listened to a lot of discussion at Karl’s race night and after the Cas match in both the KC bar and main bar and it is clear that a good number of “moderate” people are disgruntled by behaviour on this board.

In my view this forum is like an extension of the cougar “hall of fame” bar. You can go in after the match to shout and cheer, moan and feel sorry, complain about or compliment the ref, touch judges, players, coaches, management other fans etc. You can even get to talk one to one with the aforementioned but there is no guarantee that they will agree with you and they may even choose to ignore you. There are people who will quietly sit and have a pint and not say much to anyone and those that will hustle and bustle from group to group. There are loud fans, knowledgeable fans, mischievous fans and those that don’t seem to grasp rugby and its rules at all. Then once you have discussed rugby and had a couple more pints you can set the world to right. From politics to finance, or from “a funny thing happened to x, y or z” to “does anyone know how to fix my washing machine?”

You can have a good bit of banter with the bar staff - even take the micky, but you would not want to push it too far or insult them at the risk of not being served or even ejected from the premises. You also expect them to show you the same respect and would be most disgruntled if they refused to serve you just because of your political views, your opinions, your friends, who you talked to or even whose name you mentioned.

I don’t think a rugby forum is just about the game in the same way that Keighley Cougars are not just about rugby. It’s about a community of very diverse people who happen to have one thing in common – our team.

What do you think?

Author:	Dreamer [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:38 pm ]
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Can moderators please leave this post intact? It is not a dig at anyone and only intended to stimulate debate. I think most people will agree that there have been “activities” on this forum that have been a little OTT. We all support the same team and for the life of me I can’t see why we can’t all get on even if we agree to differ. There is absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing with an others opinion, lively debate and even taking the micky are all part of life’s rich tapestry. I listened to a lot of discussion at Karl’s race night and after the Cas match in both the KC bar and main bar and it is clear that a good number of “moderate” people are disgruntled by behaviour on this board. In my view this forum is like an extension of the cougar “hall of fame” bar. You can go in after the match to shout and cheer, moan and feel sorry, complain about or compliment the ref, touch judges, players, coaches, management other fans etc. You can even get to talk one to one with the aforementioned but there is no guarantee that they will agree with you and they may even choose to ignore you. There are people who will quietly sit and have a pint and not say much to anyone and those that will hustle and bustle from group to group. There are loud fans, knowledgeable fans, mischievous fans and those that don’t seem to grasp rugby and its rules at all. Then once you have discussed rugby and had a couple more pints you can set the world to right. From politics to finance, or from “a funny thing happened to x, y or z” to “does anyone know how to fix my washing machine?” You can have a good bit of banter with the bar staff - even take the micky, but you would not want to push it too far or insult them at the risk of not being served or even ejected from the premises. You also expect them to show you the same respect and would be most disgruntled if they refused to serve you just because of your political views, your opinions, your friends, who you talked to or even whose name you mentioned. I don’t think a rugby forum is just about the game in the same way that Keighley Cougars are not just about rugby. It’s about a community of very diverse people who happen to have one thing in common – our team. What do you think?

Author:	Rach [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:43 pm ]
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Spot on ,that man

Author:	andrew aspinall [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:49 pm ]
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agree,totally.

Author:	aj cougar [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:25 pm ]
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Dreamer wrote:Can moderators please leave this post intact? It is not a dig at anyone and only intended to stimulate debate. I think most people will agree that there have been “activities” on this forum that have been a little OTT. We all support the same team and for the life of me I can’t see why we can’t all get on even if we agree to differ. There is absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing with an others opinion, lively debate and even taking the micky are all part of life’s rich tapestry. I listened to a lot of discussion at Karl’s race night and after the Cas match in both the KC bar and main bar and it is clear that a good number of “moderate” people are disgruntled by behaviour on this board. In my view this forum is like an extension of the cougar “hall of fame” bar. You can go in after the match to shout and cheer, moan and feel sorry, complain about or compliment the ref, touch judges, players, coaches, management other fans etc. You can even get to talk one to one with the aforementioned but there is no guarantee that they will agree with you and they may even choose to ignore you. There are people who will quietly sit and have a pint and not say much to anyone and those that will hustle and bustle from group to group. There are loud fans, knowledgeable fans, mischievous fans and those that don’t seem to grasp rugby and its rules at all. Then once you have discussed rugby and had a couple more pints you can set the world to right. From politics to finance, or from “a funny thing happened to x, y or z” to “does anyone know how to fix my washing machine?” You can have a good bit of banter with the bar staff - even take the micky, but you would not want to push it too far or insult them at the risk of not being served or even ejected from the premises. You also expect them to show you the same respect and would be most disgruntled if they refused to serve you just because of your political views, your opinions, your friends, who you talked to or even whose name you mentioned. I don’t think a rugby forum is just about the game in the same way that Keighley Cougars are not just about rugby. It’s about a community of very diverse people who happen to have one thing in common – our team. What do you think? I doubt that you would find myself, or for that matter Guess Who (and I apologise if I speak out of turn Jim) disagreeing with that. The problems start when people try to stimulate not debate, but argument, in the negative sense. How many times has Dodgy had the slate wiped clean on this board? Couple that with the the stuff that goes on not on here but via private messages, and it becomes a nuisance. Some of the stuff that has been said is frankly out of order. He needs to learn the line between what is acceptable on a public forum, and also respect what is a persons privacy; i.e: It's not acceptable to ask people to say whether they have joined the KC Club It's not acceptable to invite conjecture as to why people don't sponsor you. All of these things are for the individual to decide, and not for the forum to muse upon. We also have an AUP to follow. We didn't write the AUP, it's set down for us, and it's set down for good reason. When you post on here it's on the understanding that the AUP is abided by. Dodgy has overstepped the mark continously, and given the chance to come back. After his last breach of AUP he was banned for 2 weeks. He then came back via his daughter, breaching the AUP seriously, resulting in the site admins saying a life ban should be issued. Couple with this GW also received a PM which was completely over the mark, sent via Dodgys daughter. The thing is, none of you get to see this stuff, or for that matter have to deal with it. I'm sure the tale you hear in the KC bar doesn't quite stretch to the details we have. To close, this forum is there for people to debate club issues, and anything else within good reason. As far as I am concerned the matter is closed, but I won't let the forum be ruined by people trying to sidetrack for one person, when that person has had a second chance, and third chance. Don't forget, Dodgy had a life ban before, it was GW who decided he should be allowed back on.

Author:	guess who [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:14 pm ]
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The only thing that is asked is people stick to the AUP. People agree to this when they join the site. Its a very simple thing to do. I see Dreamer says that conversation has taken place in the KC bar and main bar. The trouble with that is you are only hearing one side of it. Dreamer also says that “moderate” people are disgruntled by behaviour on this board. I bet they are. However remember i have not been the one breaking the AUP. I ask these “moderate” people to think back to the last time he was banned. The forum ticked along nicely the quality of debate was much better. I have done nothing wrong. I have the full backing of the admin regarding the way, i have had to moderate this site. No matter what people have been told. I have also not broken any laws. There is no regress in law for what i have done. The admins have said he is ban for life so that's the end of it. If people want to carry on posting with in the AUP then please do. If not then post somewhere else. That is your choice. James McGrath.

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Author:	reborncougar [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:06 pm ]
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Dodgy seems to enjoy the whole wind up thing and sometimes its funny and sometimes its just wasted pixels and bandwidth, either way it is a public forum. I had no issue with him winding about sponsorship, bloody good for him for doing a 10k run. Dodgy to be honest just needs to learn from the 3 amigos. 2 years ago we had a disgraceful forum frequeted by bitter twisted evil mouthed posters who had fallen out of favour with the club personel. (lets not open up that wound). Some of the comments were libelous (sp) and regardless of how a post started be it a game, or marketing or players it always ended the same way. Even when we set up a special thread dedicated to the subject, every post was hijacked. Was it possible to get those people banned? no. Yet here we are two years down the line with a pleasent board and those same three people shining examples (almost ) of worthwhile posters. Dodgy take a leaf out of their book, drink some tea, chill out and get back on here. Lets move on guys, we have a great team and club, spirits are high, we actaully stand a chance of beating York and my mum has got me an easter egg.

Author:	aj cougar [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:17 pm ]
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reborncougar wrote: Dodgy to be honest just needs to learn from the 3 amigos. 2 years ago we had a disgraceful forum frequeted by bitter twisted evil mouthed posters who had fallen out of favour with the club personel. (lets not open up that wound). Some of the comments were libelous (sp) and regardless of how a post started be it a game, or marketing or players it always ended the same way. Even when we set up a special thread dedicated to the subject, every post was hijacked. Was it possible to get those people banned? no. Yet here we are two years down the line with a pleasent board and those same three people shining examples (almost ) of worthwhile posters. Dodgy take a leaf out of their book, drink some tea, chill out and get back on here. To be fair to the club, they seem to have taken on board everything we said, so I suppose we ARE the Keighley Cougars (all be it by stealth). Thanks for the compliments

Author:	aj cougar [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:21 pm ]
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reborncougar wrote: I had no issue with him winding about sponsorship, bloody good for him for doing a 10k run. I did have an issue with it, I'm not really sure a cancer charity is the correct tool to be using for a wind up. But that won't be happening again, so let's all hope it's history.

Author:	Bakewell tart [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:56 pm ]
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I understand AJ that you had a issue with it, and that is your opinion just like reborn's different view was their opinion, which is all good and should be given the chance to be aired, discussed and viewed on a public forum

Author:	aj cougar [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:12 pm ]
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Bakewell tart wrote:I understand AJ that you had a issue with it, and that is your opinion just like reborn's different view was their opinion, which is all good and should be given the chance to be aired, discussed and viewed on a public forum A person's private matters, and that includes giving to charity, or sponsoring certain individuals, is not a matter for a public forum, unless that person chooses it to be. That is a matter of respect and common decency, and will remain so.

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