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 Post subject: Re: Sit down before you read the Keighley News
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:27 am 
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666 wrote:Will the Club reply?

If not, why not?

As a supporter for over 50 years, I would also like to know what is happening at 'My Club'.

Is Gary Fawcett being paid for his role?

If he is, then how much and how does he justify any payment at all?

Did Mike Smith and Mick O'Neil ever take any payment for their involvement? I think not.

If not then, if he does, why does Gary Fawcett take any payment for the time hat he devotes to the Cougars?

I look forward to the Club responding to my queries so that everyone who has the Cougars at heir hearts knowing the details of who is getting what from their roles, starting at he top.

I don't think that I'd better hold my breath as I could die before I get a result!


Strange set of questions and you need to understand the underlying reason for the article - people need to support the Head Coach prior to condemning him.

Anyway, Gary constantly puts money into the club to support it financially and have never been paid for any of the time he puts into the club.

LoyalFan2013 wrote:Bet we don't get answers.


Good job you didn't put money on then isn't it?

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 Post subject: Re: Sit down before you read the Keighley News
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:13 pm 
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The Clubs Voice, unless I have missed something you haven't answered anything, appart from the sarky comment about getting answers.

I am not trying to jump on any band wagon here, but questions have been posed on this thread and you have completely brushed over them. If you're on here to answer questions and be as your user name suggests, "The Club's Voice", please address the comments posted and maybe you'll come up against as much grief.

If people need to understand the underlying reason of that article, please give a bit more of an explanation than just saying, "people need to support the Head Coach prior to condemning him." I can understand people's frustrations, as they come down to support the club and pay their hard earned money and the performances on the pitch have not warranted the £15 entry fee. This cannot all be attributable to the players, some of the blame for this has to lay on Marchy's shoulders as he is the coach.

Now I am not calling for Marchy to be sacked, I just want to see the questions posed on here answered.

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 Post subject: Re: Sit down before you read the Keighley News
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:10 pm 
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Is this article online?

By the way Loyal has not even read it so he is just guessing as to what it says :-)






Soon be Monday.

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 Post subject: Re: Sit down before you read the Keighley News
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:11 pm 
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I am becoming very annoyed and losing a lot of patience with Paul March we have lost a good player-coach (JD) and an amazing half back (Sam Obst) and suddenly the team is struggling to stay out of the relegation zone? Gary can not call on the players here! we need a much better coach!!! :SHOOT:

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 Post subject: Re: Sit down before you read the Keighley News
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:14 pm 
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Posters on here make some valid comments

Having seen the article yesterday and taken time to reflect, I think there are some valid points here. I would make the following points;

1) Marchy as the head coach should be empowered and have autonomy to deal with issues involving playing staff.

2) If this answer the point 1 is yes then surely he is the best person to deal with underperformance and associated playing issues. My point being, why isn't it left to Marchy to deal with the under performers and surely Gary has interfered in his affairs and undermined him.

3) I personally thinks it's naive to publicly have a pop at the players. Firstly, this has been an issue all season so why haven't these issues been sorted out earlier? Does this suggest Marchy is not capable of dealing with such issues and it's been left to the Chairman?

4) I've read the article a few times and depending which way you interpret it, it doesn't read too well for Leatherbarrow.

5) In sport at times things just don't play out as planned. You can have the players and a decent coach, but at times it just doesn't work out. I'm beginning to feel this is case with Marchy. Whatever the reason, be it players, his tactics or other factors it's just not working.

6) I agree the clear the air meeting or a change should have happened sooner. I still get the feeling from Gary that he thinks everything will be Ok and Marchy equally. Having seen the performances this year so far I'm far less certain. Even a change in coach now would be too late in my opinion.

7) I'm sick of hearing that this team should in X position. On paper means nothing. It's the cohesion and performance on the pitch that gets results. The team sheet before the match gets us no points. Either the players are overrated by respective personnel or they are not playing to their potential. If it's the latter, why is that? I guess only Marchy can answer that and maybe evidence from his interviews of late would suggest he doesn't know?

If I was Gary and had a meeting with my Coach about performance and got the answers that comes up with after the match I would be concerned. I can only presume he gives Gary more confidence about what the issues are than he does in the videos.

I don't have answers, just my opinion. I don't like reading articles like that and have to say I'm not sure Mr Fawcett has any idea what he's doing. Let's just hope that things come together, but that's all I can do, hope!

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 Post subject: Re: Sit down before you read the Keighley News
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:03 pm 
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Perfectly put Dominance.

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 Post subject: Re: Sit down before you read the Keighley News
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:04 am 
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My first part of the post was just a bit of friendly banter, nothing meant but yes now you come to mention it dreamer I do like to be the naughty boy :wink: :lol:

I think everyone knows of someone that has decided to stay away for one reason or another and I think they're too many to mention. It sounds exagerated and some may say I'm making mountains out of mole hills but for me its clear that Fawcett and Marchy are out of their depth. There is no question that Fawcett has ambition and he definately has a love for the club but I just feel he has taken us as far as he can. Ok he still thinks he is going to take us to super league and we are one of the top teams in the championship, Fawcett needs to wake up and fast . I think it is clear to all or those that haven't got the blinkers on that Marchy is a beaten man, you can clearly see from his videos after the games that he hasn't got a clue what to do next or how to turn this around. To be honest I don't think he is adding much value to the team on the pitch either. From what I hear Marchy isn't the sort of guy to throw the towel in, hold his hands up and say I can't turn this around or save us from relegation and walk. This is all down to Fawcett now and in my opinion the blame has to now fall on Fawcetts shoulders if we end up going down, plain and simple Fawcett is letting this happen and has got too pally with Marchy. Its time to grow a pair and make a big boys decision because its no good thinking that this is all going to go away and we are going to be ok. I have said this from day one and I stand by it we are going down if the right action is not taken.

As for the sports pshycologist I don't really have a problem with it but with all the cutbacks the club has made can we really afford one and should this have been decided weeks ago. It just feels that Fawcett still believes Marchy can turn this around.

Everything I say on hear is true or as true as I know it, I dont have any need to come on here to start lying or sturring trouble. I will answer a few things for you that The Clubs Voice seems to be dodging or hasn't mentioned yet. After the meeting I had with Fawcett I can confirm that the clubs debt is £157,000 and according to Fawcett £130,000 of that is owed to him from what he has put in. He confirmed that if everything was to go wrong then it would only be him that would take full hit from it as he is the shareholder, chairman, director, Mr Cougar in other words. Now even I have to say I do have a little more respect for him since that meeting and realising just what he does. Cullen deals with the bars, function and hospitality. This has been set up as its own business within cougar park and has seperate bank accounts that pays the club a certain amout of money, make of that what you wish. Spencer provides security on certain matchdays and I do remember a certain game which I think was a featherstone game when the club was billed £1,600for the security, Make of that what you wish. At the minute Fawcett is doing all the accounts, banking, wages, receptionist stuff, matchday controller, cleaning, commercial stuff and the list goes on so what the other 2 are actually doing I arent sure. One thing for Cullen is if it wasn't for him the ground and facilities wouldn't have had the little makeover.

No I don't have the money to come in and take over, if only them lottery numbers would come in but you just never know who is waiting on the wings to take over. I'm sure the club wouldn't be left to die.

As for Marchys contract I dont know the details but as soon as I heard the position was going part time alarm bells started ringing, how can you have a club with the abitions it has and in the championship with a coach that is part time :CRAZY: What I do know is that PM can hold is hands up and admit he can't help us and walk, in my opinion he would more thought of and more respected doing it this way rather than taking us down and getting the sack OR Fawcett can call a meeting with him and view his concerns and dissapointment and offer him a cash sum to walk rather than pay his contract out.

As I said dreamer I don't poop stir I just state my opinions which sometimes yes I can be very opinionated but anything I say on here is fact. Players are and will start looking at other clubs before long, would you want to go down and start playing at the bottom after doing so well. I 100% back the players, yes they have bad days don't we all even the sportsman of any sport at the very top level have bad games and I even think a few of them wouldn't be missed but they only play how they are been coached, they only play to the coaches tactics. Full responsibility has to fall on the coaches shoulders and any descent coach would say after a bad game or run of results "I got it wrong"

We had a few poor games under JD but Jd proved he was a leader and a good coach by whipping the lads into shape and turning things round. We had better times and more good times under JD. I know from what I hear that if JD wasn't happy at half time or after the game that he would strip you down no matter who you was and it didn't matter who was there. He took no S**T, he was a leader off the field and on the field. Marchy says nothing hardly and leaves it to his coaching staff and from what I hear Marchy off the field isn't the guy we see on the field.

Community club, was a long time ago. The club will be screwed when Jeremy Crowther decides to call it a day.

I've said it before and I'll say it again I hope I am completely wrong and we turn all this around and its just been one long bad blip but even I have got the blinkers on now :lol: I hate been right all the time :wink:

We need a miracle because the ice we are treading is getting very thin and starting crack.


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 Post subject: Re: Sit down before you read the Keighley News
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:31 am 
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On the terraces wrote: Snip..... . .

Flipping heck, that was a long one ( as the actress said to the Bishop).

It's pointless batting back and forth with mammoth posts. What I will say is that there appears to be a disconnect between what PM says he wants and how the players perform. This needed correcting some time ago and certainly needs correcting now - by whatever means.

If that means that the directors have to make critical decisions about players or coach then they need to get on with it quick.

I'm not in a position to know what goes on between directors, coach and players, so I can't sensibly say much more than.






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