carl_spackler wrote:I agree he was the weaker of the 5 due to being hit and miss on occasion, but it was still sublime at times. Gullit and Cantona were every bit as classy as the other 2 IMO.
They were class players but I am talking about first touch.
Quote:Fair enough if that's your opinion, I just wonder if your judgement's clouded a little. In Robinho's case because you're probably seeing him on a more regular basis so you can think of more examples, and I think the Berbatov thing is often because people don't expect him to have such ball control because he's tall and gangly.
'Clouded judgement'? I chose someone who plays for United. I promise you, I am calling it 'as I see it'.
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Quote:I didn't say Crespo is still world class, he's an old man now and he's past his prime, but in his day, he was world class, Lazio broke the world transfer record to sign him, any player of that quality is world class. Crespo's not done much in the past two years, but he was world class, you said he wasn't.
How long was he world class for? A couple of weeks? Lazio threw outrageous money at lots of players. A high price doesn't mean top quality. He was good at Chelsea but never 'world class'.
As for Mascherano, I think he's the best defensive midfielder in the world, if your opinion differs, then fair enough, but I think he's world class.
He's not a footballer. He's a tackler. It's your opinion, fella. I am not claiming to speak the inubitable truth. I am simply stating I think/believe you to be incorrect.
I'd rather have Alonso than Mascherano.
Most DMs are overrated in terms of ability. I think you need to have ball winners in midfield but you need people who can pass, create and score goals too. can you tell me two aspects of Mascherano's play that make him 'world class'?
Quote:Also, international football, for me, only adds to about 10% of my opinion on a player. We all know how well David Healy done for NI in the Euro qualifying, but I wouldn't use that in argument to say he's better than a good striker who's disappointed at international level. Club level is a higher level than international football now, in my opinion. Besides, Ronaldo hasn't been that bad for Portugal in his international career, he's been very good actually, he just had an average Euro's.
IMO it's a combination of both club and internatonal. David Healy had a purple patch at international level. That is all.
In terms of Ronaldo at international level, I didn't say he'd been awful, just that he doesn't come across as world class at that level more often than not.
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Enfield Exile wrote:He's not a footballer. He's a tackler. It's your opinion, fella. I am not claiming to speak the inubitable truth. I am simply stating I think/believe you to be incorrect.
I'd rather have Alonso than Mascherano.
Most DMs are overrated in terms of ability. I think you need to have ball winners in midfield but you need people who can pass, create and score goals too. can you tell me two aspects of Mascherano's play that make him 'world class'?
IMO it's a combination of both club and internatonal. David Healy had a purple patch at international level. That is all.
In terms of Ronaldo at international level, I didn't say he'd been awful, just that he doesn't come across as world class at that level more often than not.
Is tackling not part of football or something now?
It's hard to explain attributes of a player that are world class, his tackling, work rate, tenacity and the way he maintains such a high tempo to his game, he can shut teams down on his own at times and that's what makes him world class.
There are plenty of different aspects in football, just because he doesn't score 30 yarders every week, or open teams up every week, doesn't mean he's not world class. When we've played in the big games this year, he's been just as key to us as any other player.
If you'd rather Alonso, then fair enough, I like Alonso and he's a class player. Off this seasons form I'd rather Alonso, he's upped his game a lot. In my opinion, ball winners can be just as important as the creators. Just look at Arsenal since they've lost Flamini, they look spineless. Did you ever see Barca when they never have Toure/Keita? They would be dominated by sides who had a strong midfield, like they were by us when we beat them in the Camp Nou, Sissoko dominated them.
Also, when you have a midfielder like Alonso, or Riquelme, passing isn't such a valuable asset. Ever since Mascherano has broke into the Argentina squad, he's established himself as a key player, for the fact that he protects the defence so well and has somebody like Riquelme playing with him, who he can just give the ball to. That's all he does, gives it to Gerrard/Alonso and let's them do the harder stuff. I'd love to see some stats on Mascherano's passing, I very much doubt it's that bad.
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There shouldn't have been any notion of him being pushed in the first place. In three years he'd delivered two titles, two Carling Cups, an FA Cup, two CL semi finals. Getting rid of a manager who does that is utter lunacy. He shouldn't have been worried about being pushed, he should have been tied and padlocked into place so he couldn't leave.
Taken the team as far as he could. What utter cack.
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As much as he's been trying to convince everyone on here, i don't think EE has spelt Robinho's name correctly once!
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