I understand what you're saying. That basically he's a quick fix guy that disappears before he's found out. There may be truth to that but we'll see at Madrid. If he suddenly rattles off eight league titles in a row with a few CL thrown in then there's going to be little point discussing his greatness. I don't think you can talk about changing the club from top to bottom though because not all managers do that and to exclude one just because he doesn't shouldn't undermine his achievements either. Footballers don't have to play through all of the ranks to be considered great so what purpose does it serve to say managers should, other than to support the appointment of Brendan Rodgers

You don't even read what I put. I'll bet you can't really, honestly, disagree with any of what I put.

Footballers are a thick bunch. Don't they learn?? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ealed.html

Footballers are a thick bunch. Don't they learn?? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ealed.html

100% Wire wrote:Footballers are a thick bunch. Don't they learn?? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ealed.html He's right and it was very funny. But he, as a professional, shouldn't have done it. The FA has behaved incredibly poorly over the Terry incident. The failure of the court case against him should have meant the FA dropped it as well.

100% Wire wrote:Footballers are a thick bunch. Don't they learn?? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ealed.html He's right and it was very funny. But he, as a professional, shouldn't have done it. The FA has behaved incredibly poorly over the Terry incident. The failure of the court case against him should have meant the FA dropped it as well.

Embarrassing, as ever.

Care to explain why? The FA had no evidence and a court case that had already ruled insufficient evidence to prove guilt, yet they banned him anyway. Why is that embarrassing?

No idea if you're actually been serious or not, but there is a fairly significant difference between "beyond all reasonable doubt" and "on the balance of probabilities" as a burden of proof.

But then you knew that already didn't you.

The only thing that's embarrassing here is that he only got 4 games because he only called him an "FBC" once!

Terry will appeal. He'll ultimately win the appeal. The public will still hate him, in fact they'll hate him more because he's escaped "justice".

Cole will be fined for his tweet.

probably right about JT - a fine footballer IMO but someone who doesn't exactly endear himself to the general public and as for some other members of his family...

Cole will be let off lightly because he's integral to to the England team - there is no way one of the best FBs in world football will be banned from playing for his country - if the culprit had been say, Leighton Baines or Phil Jagielka or any other border line international then he probably would never wear the three lions again - a bit like the Kevin Pieterson debacle

The precedent fine set for Rio Ferdinand's "choc ice" comment will probably be applied to Cole.