Well for the 3rd time with Bettman as top man we have a lockout in the NHL.This could last as long as the last one as both sides seem to be miles apart from agreeing how to move forward.This is one whole year after the players where telling the NBA players to agree a deal to avoid a lockout.

Bettman needs to go

Both Bettman & Fehr need to go as it should neither side should have let it get to this again.

Neither party should leave the table until they have come up with an agreement, a couple of hours here and there is never going to get things sorted. Its ok for players like Crosby, Toews etc who are already mulit millionaires but its the men and woman that work within the industry on a normal wage that are suffering and also the knock on affect with small companies that rely on the NHL for the work they get.

Its time the petty stuff stopped and they called a professional mediator in until its sorted and a deal agreed.

Over the weekend I thought they were close to a deal but now it looks like they're as far away from a deal as they were a couple of months ago.It's not looking good and if another season is lost I can't see how Bettman can justify keeping his job.

I know its ridiculous, half the issues they havent even discussed yet. This should have a priority at the start of last season not 5 weeks before the CBA ran out.

Bettman has to go and go now. Fehr equally is seemingly the Bettman of the NHLPA.

The fact they have cancelled the Winter Classic is criminal due to its success, neither the owners nor the majority of the players can afford this to go on long term.

All this petty tit for tat crap aint going to get things resolved.

Sack Bettman, end the Southern experiment, bring back the Nordiques.

At last some harmony coming between the owners & players after excluding Bettman & Fehr from the talks.

Keep those two idiots away from any of the negociations and we might have a good chance of seeing some NHL this season.

Note to the owners & players - Kick Bettman & Fehr out as they are the reason you're having a lock out with no sign of movement, both seem to revel in lockouts.

After a good day of talks Bettman and Fehr joined in again yesterday and not suprisingly we've now moved back to where we were last week with no talks planned and everything up in the air again

Exactly both have previous when it comes to lock outs Bettman x 3 in NHL and Fehr MLB & NHL.

Surely the owners and players must realise that the only solution to salvage not only the season but the NHL as a whole is to ditch Bettman & Fehr as their ego's are all they care about as is proving with the continued stalemate when they are involved

Remind you of another sport which wants it's competition to expand geographically?