I see a trend with a lot of the posts on this site, and the constant overrating of our players. And at the same time the slagging off the coach or management.
Lets look these two issues...
For the last 2yrs we've stated the want for an enforcer prop. But what or who did Wigan sign? Stu Fielden.
At the time the best prop in the league, if not the RL, and he's from the UK and in his prime, what a signing. But what has Mr Fielden produced? Very little.
I'm sick and tired of people praising him for basically the basics, he's an average prop in an average league. Why do you think our team is having problems? weak pack that can't bully their opposing pack around the field.
Hock-Very patchy. Moments of great play and moments of madness. Until he gets this sorted he's not as good people rate him as.
Hansen-over all average, great in defence, clueless in attack.
Lockers-Average to decent player. too much pressure on him, the club asks too much of him to be a loose and a capt. not good enough to carry so much on his shoulders.
Coley-Should be a good hardworking prop, but is far down the list of props in the league. No place at Wigan.
Sam Tomkins-Please lets be realistic with Sam. He has bags of talent and potential, but his praise on here is going to far. Anyone would think he's in Barretts league. No where near at this point. He will be good, but he didn't do anything against Leeds.
Roberts-For an experienced winger/fb he is poor under the high ball, Would like to see more from what so far has been an average winger.
Bailey-Average. Decent in defense but lets face it, anyone in SL should be.
This is not a total rant, more of a reality check.. On the otherhand
Tommy, Joel, Carmont, Ainscough look like they fit right in at SL level and haven't been completely overrated on here.
Just remember, this is a reason we have only won twice all season.
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Last Son of Wigan wrote:ISam Tomkins-Please lets be realistic with Sam. He has bags of talent and potential, but his praise on here is going to far. Anyone would think he's in Barretts league. No where near at this point. He will be good, but he didn't do anything against Leeds.
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Oh come on mate, he played behind a well and truly beaten pack.
tbh tho im as excited about sam tompkins as i am about ainscough and think he possibly is the next big thing.......no barrett at the moment granted, but in time he could be up to that standard.
Hock your bang right.....see the other topic on here i posted on.....the way wiganers build hock up is ridiculous....he is nothing but a poor to average second rower and I cant understand the over hyping of hock.
Rest of the squad youve got a bang on assessment of IMO
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Last Son of Wigan wrote:I see a trend with a lot of the posts on this site, and the constant overrating of our players. And at the same time the slagging off the coach or management.
Lets look these two issues...
For the last 2yrs we've stated the want for an enforcer prop. But what or who did Wigan sign? Stu Fielden.
At the time the best prop in the league, if not the RL, and he's from the UK and in his prime, what a signing. But what has Mr Fielden produced? Very little.
I'm sick and tired of people praising him for basically the basics, he's an average prop in an average league. Why do you think our team is having problems? weak pack that can't bully their opposing pack around the field.
Hock-Very patchy. Moments of great play and moments of madness. Until he gets this sorted he's not as good people rate him as.
Hansen-over all average, great in defence, clueless in attack.
Lockers-Average to decent player. too much pressure on him, the club asks too much of him to be a loose and a capt. not good enough to carry so much on his shoulders.
Coley-Should be a good hardworking prop, but is far down the list of props in the league. No place at Wigan.
Sam Tomkins-Please lets be realistic with Sam. He has bags of talent and potential, but his praise on here is going to far. Anyone would think he's in Barretts league. No where near at this point. He will be good, but he didn't do anything against Leeds.
Roberts-For an experienced winger/fb he is poor under the high ball, Would like to see more from what so far has been an average winger.
Bailey-Average. Decent in defense but lets face it, anyone in SL should be.
This is not a total rant, more of a reality check.. On the otherhand
Tommy, Joel, Carmont, Ainscough look like they fit right in at SL level and haven't been completely overrated on here.
Just remember, this is a reason we have only won twice all season.
21-12 wrote:Oh come on mate, he played behind a well and truly beaten pack.
Which is one of the points he's making. Coley and Fielden who get more game time then O'Carroll and Prescott are the main reason for this. Yet people still rate Fielden.
I'd get rid of Fielden once his contract is up. I'm affraid just not pulling the performances out the bag. Who knows, maybe this long contract has been detrimental to his form, maybe when it's coming close to renewal time he may improve. Not saying he's doing it on purpose but that maybe the thing to spark him back to life.
If you ask me, far too many maybes in that equation.
SiY wrote:Which is one of the points he's making. Coley and Fielden who get more game time then O'Carroll and Prescott are the main reason for this. Yet people still rate Fielden.
I'd get rid of Fielden once his contract is up. I'm affraid just not pulling the performances out the bag. Who knows, maybe this long contract has been detrimental to his form, maybe when it's coming close to renewal time he may improve. Not saying he's doing it on purpose but that maybe the thing to spark him back to life.
If you ask me, far too many maybes in that equation.
IMO the fielden equation is simple.....he burned himself out at the age of 26/7 after 10 years dominating the front row at bratfut. Realistically he still wants to play and give his all, but he just isnt as fast, strong and imposing as he was.
I do feel sorry for him at times, because call him what you want, he is one of the few players we have who goes out and gives everything he has week in week out.
On top of that....i know its almost cliched now....but willie mason flooring him massively damaged his confidence. Prior to that fielden was an enforcer....he had a similar sort of agression to jamie peacock and wasnt scared of getting stuck in.....look at his battles with barrie mac to see how fielden has changed. Being knocked down like that damaged his confidence massively IMO, and i dont think he believes he is as strong as he used to be, which psycologically has also had an affect on his game.
andyed-wiganrl wrote:IMO the fielden equation is simple.....he burned himself out at the age of 26/7 after 10 years dominating the front row at bratfut. Realistically he still wants to play and give his all, but he just isnt as fast, strong and imposing as he was.
I do feel sorry for him at times, because call him what you want, he is one of the few players we have who goes out and gives everything he has week in week out.
On top of that....i know its almost cliched now....but willie mason flooring him massively damaged his confidence. Prior to that fielden was an enforcer....he had a similar sort of agression to jamie peacock and wasnt scared of getting stuck in.....look at his battles with barrie mac to see how fielden has changed. Being knocked down like that damaged his confidence massively IMO, and i dont think he believes he is as strong as he used to be, which psycologically has also had an affect on his game.
Good post
I do think if he was on Coley's wage he wouldn't get the criticism he does now
I do still rate him and think he stil has it in him to be the best prop in the league
In the 2nd half of last season he was up there in the top 3 props in super league without doubt IMO
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