jinkin jimmy wrote:One's always injured, one's retired, one spends half the game on the bench and one's Matty Smith. We're doomed!
You will think we are double doomed if you read todays Daily Express. In the 3 half columns spread on the Grand Final it deals mostly with the retirement of Jamie Peacock with a 3" column on the match. Then it finishes off with the following paragraph, "McGuire won the Harry Sunderland Trophy as man of the match and is likely to take over from Sinfield as WIGAN CAPTAIN NEXT SEASON, .
The Union boys had 3 full pages as well as an headline leader column on the back page.
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stillinthepast wrote:You will think we are double doomed if you read todays Daily Express. In the 3 half columns spread on the Grand Final it deals mostly with the retirement of Jamie Peacock with a 3" column on the match. Then it finishes off with the following paragraph, "McGuire won the Harry Sunderland Trophy as man of the match and is likely to take over from Sinfield as WIGAN CAPTAIN NEXT SEASON, .
The Union boys had 3 full pages as well as an headline leader column on the back page.
McGuire to Wigan ! Wouldn't that be a hoot !!
As long as you send George Williams and John Bateman in the other direction ......
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Well having read the entire thread I side with Grimmy and Sgt Pepper.
I don't think Wane can hide behind the statistics for much longer and his Wigan career is starting to resemble that of Noble. Noble could do no wrong for at least two years because he saved us from relegation and Wane is now living off the back of doing the double.
This season has been pretty dire in many respects. The away form has been shocking and cost us the LLS. A big contribution to that was problems with goal kicking which have been staring Wane in the face for two seasons. Only at the end does he give the job to Bowen. Who has now left so we have the same problem again.
Despite the home record some of the home performances have been less than convincing to put it mildly (Salford was one of the worst games I have ever seen).
Two seasons going out of the CC in the manner we did is very poor. Against HKR Wane made changes to the side and they looked like strangers and against Cas the season before Wane was out coached.
He chose to go into the season with one injured and two Rookie centres which backfired. It was by more luck than judgement we ended up with Bateman and Gildard there.
Smith has been poor but gets picked every week. Problems of leadership on the pitch have not been addressed. According to Wane himself we have been guilty of "dumb"play numerous times but we still keep playing "dumb" when it matters (CC v HKR and now v Leeds).
He also subs by the clock and can't fail to see when Micky Mac goes off we drop in intensity but he still keeps doing it. Why on earth he didn't play him for the full 80 in the GF I do not know.
Wane may have to deal with the squad he is given (though I not convinced he has no say in it) but there are long standing issues with the way the team plays that have not been addressed. I think a different coach would get more out of this squad than Wane manages in the same way Madge turned virtually the same team Noble had around when he took over.
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20 Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
He doesn't have a clue. What a one-eyed post. So SW has been living off the double has he? It's not like he's got us to another Grand Final since then? Or even two? Certain people have an agenda against SW. I'm guessing the Grand Final loss didn't hurt too much for those people because they can argue they were right.
Pathetic.
"Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try No hell below us, above us only pie"(John Ono Lennon born Wigan 1940)
One thing to consider is some of the luck wane had in 2013. Look at the CC run. I mean seriously. It was on a plate with a knife and falk. Then warrington having their players dropping like flies after they had taken complete control in the final. But I wouldn't be willing to take credit away from wane for that, as leeds were disposed of to get there and warrington injuries or not still a very good comeback.
I think the 2013 double gives wane more good will in the bank than he deserves, overall.
FlexWheeler wrote:One thing to consider is some of the luck wane had in 2013. Look at the CC run. I mean seriously. It was on a plate with a knife and falk. Then warrington having their players dropping like flies after they had taken complete control in the final. But I wouldn't be willing to take credit away from wane for that, as leeds were disposed of to get there and warrington injuries or not still a very good comeback.
I think the 2013 double gives wane more good will in the bank than he deserves, overall.
so he had some luck in 2013. He had some bad luck in 2012, 2014 and 2015. Or does only good luck count in the argument against Wane?
"Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try No hell below us, above us only pie"(John Ono Lennon born Wigan 1940)
Aboveusonlypie wrote:so he had some luck in 2013. He had some bad luck in 2012, 2014 and 2015. Or does only good luck count in the argument against Wane?
I don't think wane's had any bad luck. In 2012 wigan just weren't good enough in the games that mattered. Theres been no bad luck in 2014 and 2015. It wasn't bad luck that wigan had a man sent off. It was a result of the mentality wane had instilled into them. In 2015 leeds last mninute try worked in wigans favour, as it meant they had a far easier run to get to the final, and in the final wigan had ample territory and posession to win the game against a tired but big hearted leeds team, but simply weren't good enough to score enough points.
Aboveusonlypie wrote:He doesn't have a clue. What a one-eyed post, SW has been living off the double has he? It's not like he's got us to another Grand Final since then? Or even two? Certain people have an agenda against SW. I'm guessing the Grand Final loss didn't hurt too much for those people because they can argue they were right.
Pathetic.
Don't shoot I'm unarmed! FYI I was a nervous wreck before and during the game. If we had won I would have given him his dues, and have never called for a change before now. I don't think he is a terrible coach or anything but he isn't getting the results despite (IMO) having all the resources required to do so. I do think he would be under far more pressure but for a ridiculously easy cup run in '13. Ask Saints fans whether just getting to finals is good enough.
Would you agree he needs to go if we don't win either major trophy once again next year?
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FYI I was a nervous wreck before and during the game. If we had won I would have given him his dues, and have never called for a change before now. I don't think he is a terrible coach or anything but he isn't getting the results despite (IMO) having all the resources required to do so. I do think he would be under far more pressure but for a ridiculously easy cup run in '13. Ask Saints fans whether just getting to finals is good enough.
