jonh wrote:Without wanting to sound like a cynic, i take the published Stats with a pinch of salt.
I just genuinely think he's one of those players that polarises opinions because of people's expectation (i'm not even trying to suggest for a minute that they shouldn't have those expectations).
The level of prop that he compares unfavourably to is Jamie Peacock - quite right to make a comparison given their histories and probably contract sizes, and he should deliver more than he does (or be on a smaller salary). But he compares very favourably to every other prop at our club, and tbh the majority of props in Super League.
That's the only point I was trying to make, for his money he should be up there with JP (and lets be honest it's not like he's not got the ability to be up there). There are very very few props around though that offer more apart from a financial saving (which again maybe a great thing).
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Steve Ella's Beard wrote:I just genuinely think he's one of those players that polarises opinions because of people's expectation (i'm not even trying to suggest for a minute that they shouldn't have those expectations).
The level of prop that he compares unfavourably to is Jamie Peacock - quite right to make a comparison given their histories and probably contract sizes, and he should deliver more than he does (or be on a smaller salary). But he compares very favourably to every other prop at our club, and tbh the majority of props in Super League.
That's the only point I was trying to make, for his money he should be up there with JP (and lets be honest it's not like he's not got the ability to be up there). There are very very few props around though that offer more apart from a financial saving (which again maybe a great thing).
I am not bagging Fielden regards this i have seen examples throughout the year where the official stats do not add up.
Fielden is a solid supporting Prop, his defence is reliable, he offers neat to nothing going forward in fact harms the team's go forward.
Regardless of the stats right or wrong, he fails to dominate any collision both attacking and defence so while he does complete the tackle and gets a tick next to his name much of the time he loses the collision and generates trouble for the team on a wider level.
He is on World Class money and producing supporting Prop form, in my opinion he is producing second supporting Prop form, 1 up from the junior spot in a balanced 4, and in the day of the cap that is not acceptable.
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He makes as many metres as Coley, busts a lot more tackles, puts in more defensively, but makes less offloads.
Compared to Prescott, he makes a lot more metres, busts a lot more tackles, puts in more than 1.6 times the tackles, and offloads just a little less
Compared to Feka, he makes similar metres, busts less tackles (though still a lot more than coley or prescott), makes a lot less offloads, and puts in about 1.7 times the number of tackles
It's funny how people's perception is though isn't it?
I think the biggest areas of improvement for Stu are in trying to offload a bit more, and cutting down on the penalties due to sloppy play etc. I think he gets such a hard time on his go forward because it's felt it's a lot worse than he should be deliver (but is still very favourable with our other props)
And again we sing from the same hymn sheet.
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jjb10 wrote:We also have Tuson, already had first team experience although it might be brief. Maybe if MM comes in he might want to put Coley or Presscott in the 2nd row, and bring in a another prop. Or just replace Bailey with another 2nd rower??
Ryan Bailey?
It all makes sense now.
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Rogues Gallery wrote:It doesn't happen very often, let me have my moment in the sun.
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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS
Heard from a pretty reliable source over the weekend that we are looking at two players, one from oz and one from super league. He seemed to know who but wouldn't divulge who. He did say it wasn't Graham though.
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grovelane wrote:Heard from a pretty reliable source over the weekend that we are looking at two players, one from oz and one from super league. He seemed to know who but wouldn't divulge who. He did say it wasn't Graham though.
Our head office is in Leeds and the Ryan Bailey rumour just won't go away, don't know what to make of it????
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