This could be a good option at some point - Kaide Ellis is a capable passer of the ball but we haven't seen that yet at Wigan.

The lad has looked decent against Wakefield hopefully he’ll step it up this year

Hope so - I'd love him to find some intensity in his game. Very solid - rarely makes an error but needs to find another gear.

He seems such a laid back lad, even off the field in the interviews you see he seems like he needs winding up. I’d like to see him given more responsibility to test him. I’d start him and challenge him to do long spells. His average metres per carry is very good, he’s not got too many errors in him and he looks a in good condition.

I’d put Havard in the same boat. A great physique, fit as a fiddle, makes ground etc but again, he just seems so laid back. It would be criminal if the lack of an edge holds Havard back from reaching the very top. I think the world of him but he’s got some good experience behind him now and needs to kick on.

If you have google maps put in "Castlefields Pub" or Castlefields Car Park, it is a big car park 5 - 10 mins walk from the ground. You get free parking and a pub, what's not to like

Sounds perfect, cheers

Have a safe trip and enjoy your evening in Cas Vegas but, speaking as Cas Fan, not too much

I think the thread you are referring to was after he had played his first match for Wigan…possibly against Saints?

I said he looked to have the potential to be a world class player, he then went on to have a very good season and secure an NRL deal.

There were others that then jumped on this and suggested he wasn’t anything special and that he should spend a season out on loan.

My view remains the same, he has lots of potential and I’m pleased he has honoured his contract with us.

The criticism of KPP is absolutely ridiculous.

He’s just turned 22 and was one of our only bright spots in 2021.

2022 I thought he was very good filling in our hole at centre.

He’s played one game in 2023, created and scored a try. Yes work rate and defence wasn’t great but that could have been said about many of the team against HKR.

He’s got the world at his feet and IMO is has Sonny Bill like skills.

Hes still developing. I think he should be on the bench ahead of the 5th prop Mago.

Is it criticism to point out some areas he needs to work at? That’s all the be seen people do and I don’t think it’s being based solely on HKR away. There seems to be a general feeling that we should use him from the bench and that’s coming from people who are backing him and those pointing out flaws.

The SBW stuff does him no favours IMO. SBW was a freak as a kid coming through but he wasn’t based around just an offload game, just being an awkward runner etc. His all round game was incredible, he was aggressive, he absolutely whacked people, he charged the ball up, his workrate was high and on the back of that, he was unbelievably skilful. It isn’t a criticism to say KPP is absolutely nothing like him because ultimately who is? SBW was an international at 18/19 and very soon after he was one of the best few players in the World. KPP could become a regular international in time and who knows, he may become one of the Worlds best forwards but that’s a good while down the track.