Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 14395 Location: Chester
bazdev wrote:For any knockers of our captain, I suggest they watch them 80 mins again because he was absolutely brilliant. Really put himself about and put some real bell ringers in.
Some captains lead by example rather than scream and shout and tonight I thought he was head and shoulders above the rest of our players.
I hope he can keep it up.
Lockers has an awesome gmae tonight. The best I have seen him play for Wigan in the last two season.
But why be so defensive over the captaincy issue? They are separate issues and he still not up to to any of West, Bell, Hanley, Edwards or Farrell as a captain.
But I will say again he was awesome tonight and it was the best attacking display from him I have seen in a long long time.
Dave
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20 Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
XBrettKennyX wrote:Maybe, but all the "Lockers is the best defensive 13 in teh world" crew must admit that he was at fault for the try.
KC owned him. End of.
Actually, take another look BK. There were 2 defenders there, the other being Bailey and NEITHER could stop KC doing what he has done consisitently throughout his carreer. Go figure....
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 14395 Location: Chester
Phuzzy wrote:Actually, take another look BK. There were 2 defenders there, the other being Bailey and NEITHER could stop KC doing what he has done consisitently throughout his carreer. Go figure....
It was a soft try to concede, end of. I am not blaming one player but our goal line defence has been pants for a while. KC does this thing weekly. It's a tactic and almost blindingly obvious. The fact we conceded a try to it says more about the teams general defensive frailties close to the line than it does any one player. It is just one issue that needs sorting out for Wigan to move up a level. It is not only KC who can score tries like that against us.
Dave
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20 Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
DaveO wrote:It was a soft try to concede, end of. I am not blaming one player but our goal line defence has been pants for a while. KC does this thing weekly. It's a tactic and almost blindingly obvious. The fact we conceded a try to it says more about the teams general defensive frailties close to the line than it does any one player. It is just one issue that needs sorting out for Wigan to move up a level. It is not only KC who can score tries like that against us.
Dave
Still better positioning that for the one Fielden let in the other week! At least we got somewhere near KC
DaveO wrote:It was a soft try to concede, end of. I am not blaming one player but our goal line defence has been pants for a while. KC does this thing weekly. It's a tactic and almost blindingly obvious. The fact we conceded a try to it says more about the teams general defensive frailties close to the line than it does any one player. It is just one issue that needs sorting out for Wigan to move up a level. It is not only KC who can score tries like that against us.
Dave
Agreed. Neither though is it a stick to beat O'Loughlin with on tonight's performance. As for him being 'owned' by KC on the back of that one lapse (equally shared with Bailey btw)... that's a joke. O'Loghlin had KC, Wellens and half the Saints team in his pocket defensively today. One defensive lapse doesn't negate this. I'm not disagreeing with your post incidentally as I called it as a soft try at the match but having seen the replay, equal credit needs to go to KC.
I think the words 'awesome' and brilliant are banded round far too easily. Lockers was good, thats actuate, nothing more.
For me at loose he's playing out of position looks far more threatening when running down the line linking up with Gleeson then roberts, not floating around the middle of the field.
Ainscough, Carmont, Hock-on one side
Roberts Gleeson Lockers on the other. Looks good to me.
Remember how well J Tomkins played at 10 when Lockers was injured? Get Joel at 13. Teams finally beginning to take shape.
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 14395 Location: Chester
Phuzzy wrote:Agreed. Neither though is it a stick to beat O'Loughlin with on tonight's performance. As for him being 'owned' by KC on the back of that one lapse (equally shared with Bailey btw)... that's a joke.
All the players involved were at fault for that try and I agree it is not a stick to beat up Lockers with.
Quote:O'Loghlin had KC, Wellens and half the Saints team in his pocket defensively today. One defensive lapse doesn't negate this. I'm not disagreeing with your post incidentally as I called it as a soft try at the match but having seen the replay, equal credit needs to go to KC.
As I said he does it (or try's it) every week. Equally lesser players can score that way against us. We need to work out how to defend against it.
Dave
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20 Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 14395 Location: Chester
Last Son of Wigan wrote:I think the words 'awesome' and brilliant are banded round far too easily. Lockers was good, thats actuate, nothing more.
It's all relative compared to what has gone before
Quote:Remember how well J Tomkins played at 10 when Lockers was injured? Get Joel at 13. Teams finally beginning to take shape.
I want to see J Tomkins in the team for the next game. We have a squad so lets use it. Hansen and Bailey are a bit too similar defensive oriented players.
Ideally I'd like to to Lockers in the 2nd row and J Tomkins at 13.
Dave
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20 Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
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