Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:57 am
Phuzzy
Player Coach
Joined: Nov 19 2006 Posts: 5502
Stu M wrote:Someone put the Makinson red card on Twitter in Australia and the NRL fans could not believe it. Some didn't even think it was a yellow card, some didn't even think it was a penalty!
The two comps are so different its untrue.
The comps are different though Stu. Insurance companies are falling over themselves to get involved with the cash rich NRL. Over here we had 1 who was prepared to offer insurance and it came with a set of conditions that we are now forced to adhere to. Remember; no insurance, no sport.
It may be coming across on here that I'm all for the new rules. Let me make it clear. I'm not. I have spent my life supporting a sport that is now changed beyond recognition. However, I live in the real world and recognize that I still have a sport to support. If that has to involve compromise, then I'll take it as I'm not sure what the (real world) alternative is.
Incidentally the insurance companies remind me of the famous Mrs Merton interview with Debbie McGee. "Tell me insurance companies, what first attracted you to the Billion dollar NRL" (sic)
Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:27 am
Phuzzy
Player Coach
Joined: Nov 19 2006 Posts: 5502
Cruncher wrote:I've said all I've got to say about the ridiculous red card - until the next one is awarded, most likely at some point next weekend - but as for the ridiculous three-match ban, why is anyone surprised?
There are too many inconsequential people in the game who currently have power, and they aren't half exercising it. One of Rugby League's greatest attractions is its no-holds-barred, high-impact status. These little men in the Disciplinary are currently whittling that away simply because they can.
Years and years ago, I predicted on this forum that an immovable salary cap would see us haemorrhage players to other sports. I wasn't entirely right, most now stay in rugby league, but usually it's on the other side of the world ... and it's now become a standard arrangement that we do everything we can to develop young stars, often at great cost, and the NRL gains the benefit. I don't quote this to prove that I'm some kind of guru, but to me it was a no-brainer that this would happen ... and I feel the same way now.
We've chosen the wrong direction again. We have one of the greatest products on Earth, and yet here in the UK we seem constantly to be finding obstacles to put in our own path. We are the very definition of lions led by donkeys.
Cruncher, please don't take this as being argumentative. That's not my intention at all. I've always enjoyed your posts and, whilst I don't always agree necessarily, I can always see the merit in them. I just don't see what you're point is here.
We lose players to a much richer competition. That's simple economics. I hate it as much as you do but what's your real world solution?
You don't like the draconian punishments. Me neither. But with only 1 insurance company even prepared to consider our sport and only then with these measures in place, again what's your real world solution?
If you're just venting steam then that's fine. I get it. But if you think there's something the sport isn't doing that it should be then I'd be interested to hear it.
Where I will agree is that the disciplinary process isn't for for purpose. It's too inconsistent. However that doesn't extend to Tommy's ban. I think it's harsh but he's a serial offender who simply will not adjust his tackling technique. Mata'utia and Sironen have seemingly managed it, so why is he exempt? I like Tommy as a player and in another era I'd commend his no compromise approach but we aren't operating in another era.
I'd like nothing more than the game to remain as it was. If it did, there'd be no game at all. If you have a solution, I'd be the happiest person on this forum to hear it and I mean that genuinely.
Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:43 am
NSW
Player Coach
Joined: Aug 28 2006 Posts: 4044
Saints replacing a 33 year old winger with another 33 year old winger.
RICHARDS IS SUPERMAN!!!!
Wire_91 wrote:its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are
Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:57 am
Stu M
First Team Player
Joined: Feb 22 2022 Posts: 1219
NSW wrote:Saints replacing a 33 year old winger with another 33 year old winger.
I'll repeat what I said earlier (and ok he will be 33 come the season start) Their fans are really sad he's leaving, that's a good sign for me.
On the face of it signing a 32 year old winger to replace a 32 year old winger doesn't sound like a clever decision..
However when you read the comments of the NQ fans they are sad to see him go. I think he is currently on 18 tries this season so clearly he is not a busted flush and we all know the SL is not at that standard. 1-2 years of him here helping the young lads would be a good decision and he's obviously still capable of playing at the top level.
Not sure of his record for injuries but he seems very durable and for all Tommy M is a legend and rightly so he is beginning to pick up injuries especially on his foot.
His try scoring record in a much superior comp is superb. Him and Sailor are two very good additions so far.
Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:03 am
NickyKiss
International Board Member
Joined: Nov 08 2004 Posts: 29760 Location: WIGAN
He's a good player Feldt and causes problems for teams whenever I watch him. The age is a worry and the wing position in general has turned in to a problem area for Saints but he should solve one side for a couple of years. It does feel a bit like kicking the can down the road and within the next couple of years they'll need to find 2 starting wingers from somewhere. I would've thought they'd have got Tom Davies. I get HKR must've offered good wages but I doubt he'll be on more than Feldt will be on at Saints and with Davies you get a winger who could be around for 6 or 7 years.
Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:07 am
Phuzzy
Player Coach
Joined: Nov 19 2006 Posts: 5502
He looks a good pickup from the showreel clips. I suppose the question is "will he stay at that level for the next 2 years". If so, then Saints have a good one. If not, they have another problem similar to the ones they already have. Time will tell.
Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:09 am
Stu M
First Team Player
Joined: Feb 22 2022 Posts: 1219
NickyKiss wrote:He's a good player Feldt and causes problems for teams whenever I watch him. The age is a worry and the wing position in general has turned in to a problem area for Saints but he should solve one side for a couple of years. It does feel a bit like kicking the can down the road and within the next couple of years they'll need to find 2 starting wingers from somewhere. I would've thought they'd have got Tom Davies. I get HKR must've offered good wages but I doubt he'll be on more than Feldt will be on at Saints and with Davies you get a winger who could be around for 6 or 7 years.
It seems like we are in advanced negotiations with Lewis Murphy...
And Dagnall will be the starting winger in a couple of years (England Academy winger/centre) who like a few of the others is not quite ready (as shown in our last few performances where it has literally been men against boys)
Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:11 am
Stu M
First Team Player
Joined: Feb 22 2022 Posts: 1219
I also think signing a 33 year old winger is very different from a 33 year old forward and a 33 year old now is very different from a 33 year old 20 years ago with the advancements in sport science.
Look at Ryan Hall still killing it at what is he, 36?
Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:15 am
NickyKiss
International Board Member
Joined: Nov 08 2004 Posts: 29760 Location: WIGAN
Stu M wrote:It seems like we are in advanced negotiations with Lewis Murphy...
And Dagnall will be the starting winger in a couple of years (England Academy winger/centre) who like a few of the others is not quite ready (as shown in our last few performances where it has literally been men against boys)
If Saints get Murphy in addition to Feldt, then that will go a long way to fixing those wing problems. Tough to say how Murphy has come back from that bad injury last year, with him not playing first grade but he looked a real talent.
Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:19 am
Cruncher
Club Coach
Joined: Jan 14 2006 Posts: 15257
Phuzzy wrote:Cruncher, please don't take this as being argumentative. That's not my intention at all. I've always enjoyed your posts and, whilst I don't always agree necessarily, I can always see the merit in them. I just don't see what you're point is here.
We lose players to a much richer competition. That's simple economics. I hate it as much as you do but what's your real world solution?
You don't like the draconian punishments. Me neither. But with only 1 insurance company even prepared to consider our sport and only then with these measures in place, again what's your real world solution?
If you're just venting steam then that's fine. I get it. But if you think there's something the sport isn't doing that it should be then I'd be interested to hear it.
Where I will agree is that the disciplinary process isn't for for purpose. It's too inconsistent. However that doesn't extend to Tommy's ban. I think it's harsh but he's a serial offender who simply will not adjust his tackling technique. Mata'utia and Sironen have seemingly managed it, so why is he exempt? I like Tommy as a player and in another era I'd commend his no compromise approach but we aren't operating in another era.
I'd like nothing more than the game to remain as it was. If it did, there'd be no game at all. If you have a solution, I'd be the happiest person on this forum to hear it and I mean that genuinely.
Appreciate the thought you've given to this.
I'm not denying that they've been put in an difficult position by all these opportunist claims for damages (I'm not sure when these court cases will actually be heard, but it's certainly dragging on). But when it comes to punishment afterwards, they really need to start discerning between accidental contact and deliberate.
Just parking the Tommy Makinson example as there seem to be wildly differing views on that one, we're all in agreement that there have been a number of ridiculously OTT suspensions passed this season. And that's a real danger in a high-speed, heavy collision sport like ours. If they continue with this, the very nature of our game is under threat, which, given that it apparently isn't in Australia, could see the UK finishing up with a sport that is rugby league in name only.
One thing that is within our power is to sort out this sentencing process. Some referees are behaving as if red cards are a new toy, but if we can't do anything about that because the insurance people demand it, we can at least adopt a more measured approach when it comes to further action. The mere fact that no one's suggesting players get suspended for accidental head clashes indicates an awareness that accidents happen.
If nothing else, they need to take a far less cavalier approach to red card incidents, and go through the video thoroughly afterwards to ensure that that the head contact was, firstly, real, and secondly, intentional. I genuinely don't believe they're doing that at present.
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