Painfully slow back line, would never wish an injury on any player but god help them if Welsby is ever out for period of time

Salford just done the double on them well deserved.
Thought saints had snatched it but Salford did well.

Please dont say Wigan are slow at moving of a tackle St Helens so slow moving that it reminded me of that speedster Wellens in his pomp.

He absolutely carries them. Great player

Welsby has taken a bit of stick from a small section of Saints fans today and in recent months. A few comments knocking round along the lines of ‘another half ar*ed effort’. A sign of frustration because as pointed out, they’d be snookered without him.

I fully agree. I am surprised that Matautia did not get pinged a few times, a lot of his tackles were late today.

It was more of a grab then he threw Sneyd on the ground as a point of intimidation,that worked for them

It was my youngest lads football presentation yesterday so I was out all afternoon and haven't seen the game. I'm also one of those fans that won't watch it back when we lose, sad I know.

I think more of the fans frustrations are with Wellens and how risk averse he is. It makes it worse when we see our nearest and dearest doing so well and a rookie coach who has never coached before (Head coach I mean) completely transforming the club. Farrimond being given a chance on Friday shows a willingness to try the young lads.

Wellens has not blooded any young lads really, Stephens has only been given a chance due to too many injuries in the forwards, same with Delaney last season.

We have a young lad absolutely killing it in the Academy and Reserves- Robertson scoring 3 basically every week and clearly far too good for that level. Lomax has been out and yet he hasn't even had 20 mins. London away would've been the ideal game. Royle and Davies aren't Saints standard and get about 20 mins game time between them, absolute waste of two subs.

Yesterday didn't surprise me too much. We have been a wet weather team now for a while and in dry conditions against a team that promote the ball so well, we struggle as was proved.

I said a couple of weeks I would be absolutely staggered if Wigan didn't finish top and given we have to play them twice, Warrington twice, Leigh away twice plus HKR and Salford still then we are in a real danger of not finishing in the top two.

Wellens is clearly staying next year yet the club haven't made an annoucement. Not sure when they will pick a time as July is a very tricky month. Cas at home next game should be routine but Wigan away will be very hard obviously, plus Warrington who can be hit and miss but are a team that know how to beat us and have the game plan to do so.

In relation to Welsby I think people are going off the fact that he is now a big earner so more is expected. He has looked back to his best lately but I suppose you have to temper that with the quality of opposition. I think we are lost without him but unfortunately when he doesn't fire then he gets the blame from a small minority. I wonder whether he is starting to regret not going to the NRL.

It's going to be a couple of seaons transition for us I feel as the old guard start to break up and we introduce the new lads. I know we are talking to a few players but a lot depends on whether Matautia stays or goes as to what direction we go in. He has been my Player of the season by a distance but I'd be amazed if he does another year. A NRL club will come in for him for sure.

Welsby might yet end up in the NRL, I believe he has a release clause in his Saints deal. From my viewing yesterday what came as a surprise is that Salford dominated field position for long periods and Saints completion was very poor. Your forwards struggled to make yards which may be a consequence of their size.The commentary team kept advising the viewer that Saints have scored more tries, and conceded less than any other team this season, so all cannot be bad. However, apart from Welsby there does seem a lack of pace in the back line so taking your point Stu, I think there is a need to blood some young lads. Personally, I still think Saints will be a handful come play off time if they can get all their troops fit and firing.

Saints are capable of winning it with a fully fit squad from outside the top 2 IMO.

Without a doubt. They're still the biggest threat to Wigan and quite comfortably IMO when they're fully fit. The thing with Saints is, they're pretty dull to watch in the main, that's not me having a go, I think it's just a fact and their fans I think would agree in all honesty but at their best, they have a style of play that is extremely tough to break down, as we found out on Good Friday and it is ideal for Play Off rugby.

Put Wigan up against any other side in a big game currently and it's at least a 60/40 chance that we win IMO but against Saints, I think it's much closer. A lot will depend on both sides shape up fitness wise come the play offs mind. We have better depth and more trust in the young players we have (which only adds to that depth).