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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2024 1:29 pm 
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The Yellow Giraffe wrote:I'd be happy with that. Someone on redvee is claiming Swift is coming back. I'd be happy with either but would be amazed if Huddersfield let him go after 1 year of what I think is a 3 year deal.


If I was Swift I would be getting the first bus out of Huddersfield.

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3 seems more realistic, at least historically. You've just brought up an interesting point though. Eckersley and Forbar are a couple years ahead of Farrimond so I don't really think of them as the same generation. Both are more "first team ready and waiting for their opportunity" so to speak. Is this the same for the Saints lads? What is the age spread?

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Stu M wrote:It's a difficult one as the physical differences in RL compared to football is a big factor. The likes of Giggs/Foden/Palmer all came through as skinny lads (or in Foden's case small) but their lack of physicality wasn't as important.

Everyone in RL knew Nsemba was going to be special and I posted on here two years ago after watching Farrimond play against Saints in an U16 Scholars game to say that he looks a once in a generational talent. However that leads me onto the answer to your question- in that same game Harry Robertson played for us and was also outstanding. Him and Farrimond were the best two players on the pitch.

I've seen Robertson a few times to know he will come through but when is the issue, he's tall but still looks gangly and if he played first team could easily get swatted aside. He has a gait similar to Ponga and switches between 1 and 6.

The two half backs George Whitby and Will Roberts are highly rated but Roberts is just back from a 12 month ACL. I saw the highlights from Cas last week and Robertson and Whitby ran the show, literally everything went through them. I would think that these two are the next "cabs off the rank" so to speak. I believe the plan is for Whitby to train full time from July after his studies are finished.

The other one who has come through and has a first team number this season is Noah Stephens. He's a giant of a lad and made his debut at Cas in the game where Makinson was sent off. He had a great cameo however its hard to judge in a game where we were so dominant. He does have the physical size though and was literally a man against boys when he played at Academy level. I know Zig has some reservations about him.

The other one I mentioned earlier- Owen Dagnall plays on the wing and played for Lancashire and England Academy scoring a few tries. He looks quick and knows where the line is.

We'll need some good lads coming through as unfortunately for us Wigan look very strong. I turned off after 20 mins on Saturday and went to the gym even in the heat we had :lol:

My final point though is that Rush when interviewed a couple of months or so ago did say that 4-5 of these lads will be "game changers" and won't just have solid SL careers.

EDIT- The other one is Vaughan, the England Academy captain and a real competitor. He has played a lot of dual-reg at Swinton and not looked out of place. He is in the first team squad but hasn't played any mninutes yet for the first team. He was outstanding at Academy but played backrow whereas he is playing dual-reg at centre.


I’ve no doubt that some of the lads you have named Stu will make the grade but they need some experienced bodies around them and, more often than not, they need drip feeding into the team. Regarding Stephens, I do have some reservations but he could easily prove me wrong but it all depends on whether he is too dependent on his size.

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What are your reservations regarding Stephens Zig?

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Stu M wrote:Yeah I agree. I don't think we will have 4-5 that will be playing first team next year at the same time. The successes we've had has been when they have been drip-fed into the first team. Welsby was a good example of this and how he had more appearances each season in different positions. Dodd was used cleverly by Woolf when he came through, he got 10-15 mins a game at 9 to get him up to speed to SL and tackling the bigger bodies in the middle.

If someone gave me £100 to make a charity bet with I'd say Robertson and Vaughan would be my two bankers. This isn't counting Stephens who has already made his debut and in the 21 man squad most weeks.

To be fair to Wigan though- the likes of Eckersely and Forber are mentioned a lot and rated highly so I don't think anyone from Saints is being held up the same as Farrimond.


Woolf followed the model Wigan used with regard to Williams. Personally, I would give every prospective half back a run at hooker to toughen them up and improve their defensive technique.

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Phuzzy wrote:3 seems more realistic, at least historically. You've just brought up an interesting point though. Eckersley and Forbar are a couple years ahead of Farrimond so I don't really think of them as the same generation. Both are more "first team ready and waiting for their opportunity" so to speak. Is this the same for the Saints lads? What is the age spread?


Vaughan is 19. Robertson and Whitby are 17/18. I checked for their ages on the club site but none given, I'm basing this on the fact they both played for the Scholars in 2022.

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Zig wrote:Woolf followed the model Wigan used with regard to Williams. Personally, I would give every prospective half back a run at hooker to toughen them up and improve their defensive technique.


Yeah good shout, I remember that Wigan did that with Williams.

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Stu M wrote:Vaughan is 19. Robertson and Whitby are 17/18. I checked for their ages on the club site but none given, I'm basing this on the fact they both played for the Scholars in 2022.


It aggravates me that such information is not posted on the websites of the clubs after all, we are not asking for a bank account or their rate of pay.

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Phuzzy wrote:What are your reservations regarding Stephens Zig?


I am not sure that he is mobile enough or that his size will be a major asset when playing first team. He reminds me of Samy Kibula. Obviously, the lad may prove me wrong. Good luck to him.

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Zig wrote:I am not sure that he is mobile enough or that his size will be a major asset when playing first team. He reminds me of Samy Kibula. Obviously, the lad may prove me wrong. Good luck to him.

That's often the problem when a player is stepping up from a level where they have obvious physical advantages. I suppose it depends to a large degree on attitude. I think Junior is showing that at the moment. I haven't seen Stephens play so can't comment on him individually but I think that goes for most young players regardless of size. Attitude is everything.

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