Post subject: Re: Sam Tomkins - worst signing in NRL history!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:57 am
King Johns II
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This is perfect motivation for Sam to a big season when he 100% fit.
Ideally he will pull out of the England squad
King Johns II wrote: 11th July 2018 2019 - Lam (Edwards part time in background) 2020 - Edwards
Mr Lebron James replied with
King Johns II wrote: 11th July 2018 I am just letting you know what I have heard is happening the moral or professional aspects are not being discussed. Lam will be the main coach 2019 and Edwards will work along side but not in public view until 2020 maybe we will end up following the Leeds Rhinos director of rugby style.
And Mr Lebron James replied with !!!!!!
Lebron James wrote: Do you want to have a bet on that? I will bet whatever you want on it as long as there is a third party to hold the money. Regards - King James (Lebron)
Post subject: Re: Sam Tomkins - worst signing in NRL history!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:06 am
Cruncher
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I seem to remember some typically Mersey Tunnel-mouthed NRL journo saying that Andy Platt and Denis Betts - who both went to Auckland - were among the worst overseas signings ever made too.
The common denominator here seems to be New Zealand.
Post subject: Re: Sam Tomkins - worst signing in NRL history!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:16 am
Superted
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Joined: Oct 01 2003 Posts: 1606
Again, having watched every game he's played in the NRL, on this occasion, it's got nothing to do with 'pom bashing' - simply not delivering value for his reported £700k per season.
Rogues Gallery wrote:
Aboveusonlypie wrote:Correct JJ. In fact, take a look at the stats from Sam's first season, and his compare very well with both Billy Slater and Greg Inglis. So, hardly disastrous.
In his first season he scored 13 tries and had 12 try assists to his name from 26 games. Hardaker this year scored 10 tries and 6 try assists from 25 games
Not sure what Hardaker has to do with this debate about Tomkins being viewed as one of the worst signings in the NRL, it's all about his performances against his salary. But, if you are wanting to compare, wouldn't it be prudent to use more than just tries and try assists? Maybe include, line breaks, line break assists, tackles, missed tackles etc.... Unfortunately there isn't a stat for 'tries saved'... Just for fairness and a more rounded picture...
Anyway, all (including most Wigan fans) but the most one eyed Wigan fans who have watched him play in every game for the Warriors acknowledge he's been one hugely expensive mistake for them... And the danger for you lot is that you could have made the same mistake - his NRL experience could have had an equally damaging effect on his abilities as a trip to Union has for many....
Again, having watched every game he's played in the NRL, on this occasion, it's got nothing to do with 'pom bashing' - simply not delivering value for his reported £700k per season.
Rogues Gallery wrote:
Aboveusonlypie wrote:Correct JJ. In fact, take a look at the stats from Sam's first season, and his compare very well with both Billy Slater and Greg Inglis. So, hardly disastrous.
In his first season he scored 13 tries and had 12 try assists to his name from 26 games. Hardaker this year scored 10 tries and 6 try assists from 25 games
Not sure what Hardaker has to do with this debate about Tomkins being viewed as one of the worst signings in the NRL, it's all about his performances against his salary. But, if you are wanting to compare, wouldn't it be prudent to use more than just tries and try assists? Maybe include, line breaks, line break assists, tackles, missed tackles etc.... Unfortunately there isn't a stat for 'tries saved'... Just for fairness and a more rounded picture...
Anyway, all (including most Wigan fans) but the most one eyed Wigan fans who have watched him play in every game for the Warriors acknowledge he's been one hugely expensive mistake for them... And the danger for you lot is that you could have made the same mistake - his NRL experience could have had an equally damaging effect on his abilities as a trip to Union has for many....
Post subject: Re: Sam Tomkins - worst signing in NRL history!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:23 am
CyberPieMan
International Star
Joined: Aug 22 2011 Posts: 1002
Cruncher wrote:I seem to remember some typically Mersey Tunnel-mouthed NRL journo saying that Andy Platt and Denis Betts - who both went to Auckland - were among the worst overseas signings ever made too.
The common denominator here seems to be New Zealand.
Haven't there also been rumblings of some less than professional attitudes at club level in NZ? Still treating it as an amateur comp to some degree? He probably has underperformed from where the expectations were (too high in reality), but I'd hazard there are more reasons for that than just the "ST is rubbish" bullhooks coming in from (surprise, surprise) the other side of the Pennines.
Post subject: Re: Sam Tomkins - worst signing in NRL history!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:29 am
Aboveusonlypie
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Joined: Oct 02 2012 Posts: 1979
Superted wrote:Again, having watched every game he's played in the NRL, on this occasion, it's got nothing to do with 'pom bashing' - simply not delivering value for his reported £700k per season.Not sure what Hardaker has to do with this debate about Tomkins being viewed as one of the worst signings in the NRL, it's all about his performances against his salary. But, if you are wanting to compare, wouldn't it be prudent to use more than just tries and try assists? Maybe include, line breaks, line break assists, tackles, missed tackles etc.... Unfortunately there isn't a stat for 'tries saved'... Just for fairness and a more rounded picture...
Anyway, all (including most Wigan fans) but the most one eyed Wigan fans who have watched him play in every game for the Warriors acknowledge he's been one hugely expensive mistake for them... And the danger for you lot is that you could have made the same mistake - his NRL experience could have had an equally damaging effect on his abilities as a trip to Union has for many....
Yes we know that full back play is about more than scoring and making tries
The point about comparing Sam's stats with Zak is this -
Zak made fewer and scored fewer tries in Super League when he was Man of Steel than when Sam was supposedly such a disaster in the NRL. Even when Sam is such a disaster he contributes.
In fact his contribution in his only full NRL season compares very favourably with Billy Slater and Greg Inglis - the worlds best full backs.
People are not looking at this contribution fairly. His salary has bugger all to do with whether he was a success or not.
"Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try No hell below us, above us only pie"(John Ono Lennon born Wigan 1940)
Post subject: Re: Sam Tomkins - worst signing in NRL history!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:00 pm
Wigan Peer
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Superted wrote: And the danger for you lot is that you could have made the same mistake - his NRL experience could have had an equally damaging effect on his abilities as a trip to Union has for many....
You hope.
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Post subject: Re: Sam Tomkins - worst signing in NRL history!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:09 pm
FlexWheeler
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Joined: Mar 18 2013 Posts: 4239
In isolation tomkins hasn't been bad. But for the money paid he....has.
NZ warriors (rightly or wrongly) were expecting a superstar, instead they got (by nrl standards) an above average attacking fullback who's poor in defence. Who's then decided after just one season he can't handle being away from his little town in the north of england. Understandably they aren't impressed.
Post subject: Re: Sam Tomkins - worst signing in NRL history!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:11 pm
FlexWheeler
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Joined: Mar 18 2013 Posts: 4239
Wigan Peer wrote:You hope.
Tomkins actually gives teams alot of change with his defensive frailties. Can also be great in attack. Not too much different to Matty Bowen at times this season. Just as you were really.
Post subject: Re: Sam Tomkins - worst signing in NRL history!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:19 pm
Wigan Peer
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FlexWheeler wrote:Tomkins actually gives teams alot of change with his defensive frailties. Can also be great in attack. Not too much different to Matty Bowen at times this season. Just as you were really.
I'm sure he reads your usual negative posts with the same amusement we do.
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Big Steve wrote: The Internet has provided some wonderful creativity, opportunities and knowledge sharing but it has also given a worldwide forum for people you would leave a full pint behind in the pub to avoid having to listen to them.
aboveusonlypie... If you don't bother to go to the game when you live in the locality then you are not really a fan and therefore your views are invalid. It's simple.
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