Now that's a FACT!

If ifs and ands.....

Hansen has a consistently high work rate, doesn't make unforced errors, doesn't give away penalties and as has been stated runs some great lines.

He improved in the majority of areas between 2007 and 2008 which can't be said for most of our players. Last season he was top in tackles with 825 with Sinfield second with 777. He was also top on marker tackles with 106, 16 more than Simon Finnegan at number 2.

You are entitled to your opinion but at least back it up with some evidence.

Errors, penalties, attitude and inconsistency cost us dearly last season so I just don't understand why anyone would highlight a player who has no apparent problems in any of those areas.

Because on the field away from tackling up he offers very little.

Is this your opinion or a fact?

IMO it's probably incorrect.

oh dear, I can't be bothered with this discussion anymore.

Last Son of Wigan wrote:Because on the field away from tackling up he offers very little. He doesn't though and that's the problem! One example but i'm sure there are others on how a predominantly defensive 2nd row compare favourably against other types of players http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... ason=2009c England international http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Young player of the year http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Hardly ineffective

Last Son of Wigan wrote:Because on the field away from tackling up he offers very little. He doesn't though and that's the problem! One example but i'm sure there are others on how a predominantly defensive 2nd row compare favourably against other types of players http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... ason=2009c England international http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Young player of the year http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Hardly ineffective

Seriously. I understand stats are facts.

But once again this thread has become off topic and onto Hansen.

Say what you want, but is he as good as lockers? no. or hock or tomkins? no. So that rules him out of the back row.

Now..

Hansen or Mossop/Farrell/Flanny. If one of the three are better than Hansen who should be in?

Or are you now saying Hansen is better than the starting back 3?

Or are you say IF the 3 in the reserves are better they shouldn't be in?

Seriously.. come on.

Look you said he offer very little in attack and that was my main problem.

His attacking stats compare well with the three above one of which is a prop and two are England internationals! He hardly offers nothing as you say or can you finally admit your wrong on that one and that your opinion is based on nothing concrete?

Hansen is better than all the reserve back rowers that you mention so it’s a none starter! Why keep going over it? He’s is still quite young himself also btw.

I'd also start him over Hock as i see Hock as an impact player. Is Hansen better than Lockers? Again it's all opinions but he could well be In some aspects of his game and if he works on the other parts I fully expect him to be a better player at 26 than what Lockers is now.

Im sorry but I think you are going slighty off topic with Hansen here, you stated at the start he was overrated, so in answer to your statement no he isn't, if anything he is underrated.

I think it was Rogues who was saying in the SR who will have a defensive player, a player who makes the runs (attacking) and another player who just adds that something extra special like an extra playmaker, so to speak.

At Wigan you have Hansen as defensive, Tomkins as the attacking and Hock as the special player.

They each have different roles in the SR, Hansen's job isn't always attack and score tries it is to defend, but considering this he still gets through a lot of work in attack and comes up with his fair share in tries.

Hansen at the moment is better than Mossop, Flanagan or Farrell and out of them 3 I can only see Mossop and Farrell being the ones to make it.