Jukesays wrote:There's so much to laugh at I don't know where to begin!
Yeah it's a conspiracy! Even Ex Hudds coach Tony Smith was told Not to pick any Hudds Players!
He asked you a question, as far as I see it you have failed to come up with any kind of decent response, so as far as I see it, You've been put in your place!
He asked you for a list of 3! Not 33! You would think Shudds would be able to come up with 3 over the last 20 years or so wouldn't you!
Ask us to name 3 and we can probably name 33!
Ask us to name players who have played SL/Old 1st division in the last 20 years and we could probabaly name 133!
You were the one who came on here all cocky because youv'e managed to get yourself a bit too over excited about being 3rd a quarter or so through the season, I suggest you save that cockiness for a time when you actually may finish 3rd at the end of the season! You were the one criticising Wigan for having too many Foreigners when you lot have been more than guilty of that previously! I believe we have around 8 Wigan Lads (9 if you include Hansen as he's been at Wigan since he was a kid) in our 1st 20 or so players at the club (It will actually be 9 tomoorow as Gleeson's signed!) that We have produced.
How many Huddersfeld lads have you got in your 1st 20????
I bet theirs more Wiganners in your 1st 20 than Hudds lads and your trying to take the Mick out of us for Not helping GB!
What are you blathering on about? you asked me to name 3 and couldn't but I named 6 who I think should have played for GB/England? I didn't come on here boasting and bleating about how fantastic Huddersfield were and how poor Wigan are until provoked by people who cannot see the wood for the trees.
I responded to a comment by a Wigan fan who said a club of Wigans size should be in the top 4? why if performances are not good enough to get you in the top 4?
also responded to comments that Brown, Robinson and Hodgeson were garbage and again I disagreed, think it's nice to have a difference of opinion else not much of a forum is it?
Enjoy the rest of your season and if I lost whatever argument we were supposed to be having, I'm fine with that too
I look forward to seeing the next England team picked
Oh by the way we have 8-9 Huddersfield lads in our first team squad too
If i was to marry, i dont know if i ought to, if i would, if i should , i'd marry a Prop's daughter, she'd go down, i'd go down, we'd all go down together, we'd be alright in the middle of the night going down together!!
[quote="jonh"]I am also not sure how he can claim either Hudson or Ralleigh came through the Huddersfield ranks, as it simply is not true.[/quote]
Absolute piffle,I am not sure where you got your info from? shows what you know, Raleigh was signed by Huddersfield from Huddersfield University team before moving to Sheffield and Hull KR and then back to Huddersfield and Ryan Hudson was signed by Huddersfield from an amateur team in Castleford. I should know my dad signed them!!!!.
WE also had Ben Westwood, Ryan Bailey, Jamie Jones-Bucanan, Lee Gilmour to name a few down at Huddersfield for talks before they were picked up by any of the other clubs, We took Fozzard from Leeds second team before he then moved onto Saints, just we couldn't offer as much money as the other teams.
If i was to marry, i dont know if i ought to, if i would, if i should , i'd marry a Prop's daughter, she'd go down, i'd go down, we'd all go down together, we'd be alright in the middle of the night going down together!!
jonh wrote:I am also not sure how he can claim either Hudson or Ralleigh came through the Huddersfield ranks, as it simply is not true.[/quote]
Absolute piffle,I am not sure where you got your info from? shows what you know, Raleigh was signed by Huddersfield from Huddersfield University team before moving to Sheffield and Hull KR and then back to Huddersfield and Ryan Hudson was signed by Huddersfield from an amateur team in Castleford. I should know my dad signed them!!!!.
WE also had Ben Westwood, Ryan Bailey, Jamie Jones-Bucanan, Lee Gilmour to name a few down at Huddersfield for talks before they were picked up by any of the other clubs, We took Fozzard from Leeds second team before he then moved onto Saints, just we couldn't offer as much money as the other teams.
So in a round about way you finaly agree that you to let your young lads go!
Still i suppose why let the facts get in the way of a good dig at Wigan.
And i asked you to name players who PLAYED for england/GB not people who could have, should have, would have if only nasty wigan didnt stop them (You really sound like a bitter little boy).
Unless you havent noticed we been crap for about 5 years now so you will have to explain to me why you not producing internationals is anyone elses fault but your own?
And talking to players isnt really something to hang your hat on, of course every good junior talks to teams, what you need to is to get them to sign at 12.01am on their 16th birthday like super Mo did with shaun edwards.
And before you start, we had only just come back up then and not been dominant for years!
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FLYINGPROP wrote:
jonh wrote:I am also not sure how he can claim either Hudson or Ralleigh came through the Huddersfield ranks, as it simply is not true.[/quote]
Absolute piffle,I am not sure where you got your info from? shows what you know, Raleigh was signed by Huddersfield from Huddersfield University team before moving to Sheffield and Hull KR and then back to Huddersfield and Ryan Hudson was signed by Huddersfield from an amateur team in Castleford. I should know my dad signed them!!!!.
WE also had Ben Westwood, Ryan Bailey, Jamie Jones-Bucanan, Lee Gilmour to name a few down at Huddersfield for talks before they were picked up by any of the other clubs, We took Fozzard from Leeds second team before he then moved onto Saints, just we couldn't offer as much money as the other teams.
They are not products of the Huddersfield system though they developed at other clubs. You cannot say they were developed at Huddersfield in any way shape or form, and to say you should know, Raleigh signed pro from Newcastle University and his first club was Sheffield not Huddersfield after he finished at uni.
It is you talking "piffle" claiming that any of the lads you list above are products of Huddersfield when they served there apprenticship at other clubs, simply because they were once in the Hudds system does not make them a product of it.
Regards Foz he was more than a Leeds second teamer he was a first team player who suffered a career threatening injury that developed into a life threatening condition. Fair play Hudds gave him a chance, but again he is far from a product of the Hudds system.
Think your dad told you a few fairy stories to send you to sleep by the sounds of it.
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FLYINGPROP wrote: They are not products of the Huddersfield system though they developed at other clubs. You cannot say they were developed at Huddersfield in any way shape or form, and to say you should know, Raleigh signed pro from Newcastle University and his first club was Sheffield not Huddersfield after he finished at uni.
It is you talking "piffle" claiming that any of the lads you list above are products of Huddersfield when they served there apprenticship at other clubs, simply because they were once in the Hudds system does not make them a product of it.
Regards Foz he was more than a Leeds second teamer he was a first team player who suffered a career threatening injury that developed into a life threatening condition. Fair play Hudds gave him a chance, but again he is far from a product of the Hudds system.
Think your dad told you a few fairy stories to send you to sleep by the sounds of it.
Oh whatever, I'm bored shitless of all this everyone has it in for Wigan garbage, You are the ones who started it all by saying Robinson, Hodgeson and Brown were crap, not in your opinion but they are crap end of, no one else views count.
Well believe what you want but they doing ok for Huddersfield at present.
I never said Foz started at Huddersfield or any of the others apart from Raleigh and Hudson, purely that they were picked up by the Huddersfield scouting system and we could not afford to sign em. I am not blaming anyone for this just stating a fact.
The argument that Hudson was developed at some other club as he played amatuer first well I don't know what to say. I would imagine most players played for some amateur club first or did Wigoon sign all your lads when in nappies and just took the chance they would make rugby players.
Can't be arsed anymore, whatever you say is gospel and everyone else is wrong, If ya don't want others coming on here to try have a debate don't have people come out with crap that it's Wigan's god given right to be in the top 4 as they are a big club, sorry but does not work like that anymore.
Please also don't diss teams like Cas , Wakey and Huddersfield who have all won and deserved to win at the JJB, they can only beat whats in front of them!!
If i was to marry, i dont know if i ought to, if i would, if i should , i'd marry a Prop's daughter, she'd go down, i'd go down, we'd all go down together, we'd be alright in the middle of the night going down together!!
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FLYINGPROP wrote:
jonh wrote: Oh whatever, I'm bored shitless of all this everyone has it in for Wigan garbage, You are the ones who started it all by saying Robinson, Hodgeson and Brown were crap, not in your opinion but they are crap end of, no one else views count.
Well believe what you want but they doing ok for Huddersfield at present.
I never said Foz started at Huddersfield or any of the others apart from Raleigh and Hudson, purely that they were picked up by the Huddersfield scouting system and we could not afford to sign em. I am not blaming anyone for this just stating a fact.
The argument that Hudson was developed at some other club as he played amatuer first well I don't know what to say. I would imagine most players played for some amateur club first or did Wigoon sign all your lads when in nappies and just took the chance they would make rugby players.
Can't be arsed anymore, whatever you say is gospel and everyone else is wrong, If ya don't want others coming on here to try have a debate don't have people come out with crap that it's Wigan's god given right to be in the top 4 as they are a big club, sorry but does not work like that anymore.
Please also don't diss teams like Cas , Wakey and Huddersfield who have all won and deserved to win at the JJB, they can only beat whats in front of them!!
Who has stated this argument?
Hudson was briefly in the Hudds system but developed at Wakefield to a first team standard player.
Rallaigh got his chance to impress at Sheffield due to his performances for GB students, he came on leeps and bounds at Hull KR where he developed into a SL standard player. Hudds gave him his shot fair play but he was hardly a product of the Hudds club given the fact he was 23/24 when he signed.
No need to throw the toys out of the pram and claim anyone is saying Wigan have a right to be top 4.
Simply because in the past Hudds have really not concentrated on development is of little consequence, what is important is that they are doing so now, which they are. They have been one of the poorer clubs until recently to do this though without any shadow of a doubt.
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Hudson was briefly in the Hudds system but developed at Wakefield to a first team standard player.
Rallaigh got his chance to impress at Sheffield due to his performances for GB students, he came on leeps and bounds at Hull KR where he developed into a SL standard player. Hudds gave him his shot fair play but he was hardly a product of the Hudds club given the fact he was 23/24 when he signed.
No need to throw the toys out of the pram and claim anyone is saying Wigan have a right to be top 4.
Simply because in the past Hudds have really not concentrated on development is of little consequence, what is important is that they are doing so now, which they are. They have been one of the poorer clubs until recently to do this though without any shadow of a doubt.
It was not brief. The only reason he left the club was that john Kear did not rate him
Using the RFl definition Hudson and Raleigh are both Hudds 'home grown'. If each poster wants to use their own definition of what constitutes a club developed local player then it is hardly surprising there will be irreconcilable differences.
Can totally understand the disapointment amongst many supporters of the club at present, this year was marked out by Ian Lennagan when he arrived at the club as being the year when the club would get back to winning ways but all we have seen so far is inconsistencey once more and some dubious coaching decisions.
Two important fixtures for Brian Noble this bank holiday, we desperatley need some hope at the moment and beating Saints is the perfect tonic.
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Marsdengiant wrote:
jonh wrote: It was not brief. The only reason he left the club was that john Kear did not rate him
Using the RFl definition Hudson and Raleigh are both Hudds 'home grown'. If each poster wants to use their own definition of what constitutes a club developed local player then it is hardly surprising there will be irreconcilable differences.
Home grown has nothing to do with being a product of the club it simply aims to clear up the quota mess.
If by home grown you mean produced from the club then i do not think they do. Ralleigh made his pro debut at Sheffield at around the age of 21/22 he then had 2 further years at Hull KR which would have made him 24ish when he joined Hudds.
Hudson though i will give you but the irony is that you got rid after 1 year of first team rugby, after which point he went on to captain his country and county, and better still is no longer even a Hudds player. Kind of sums up the development of Huddersfield. Wigan get slated for releasing some players who come from a large pool. Hudds release one of there best products in recent history who went on to great heights and you are using it as a defence of your system!
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jonh wrote: It was not brief. The only reason he left the club was that john Kear did not rate him
Using the RFl definition Hudson and Raleigh are both Hudds 'home grown'. If each poster wants to use their own definition of what constitutes a club developed local player then it is hardly surprising there will be irreconcilable differences.
I couldnt care less how many players you have or have not produced, that is your issue, not mine (as a supporter) I was simply responding to that muppet blaming wigan for the poor showing at international level.
He was asked a simple question, and could not answer it, then to start making things up is pathetic. You cant claim a 24 year old signed from somewhere else as a player you have produced!
Anyway, the sooner every club starts doing their bit with regard to junior development, the better the state of the national game will be in and i think everyone regardless of being a Wigan fan or not can agree on that!
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