He may well have got us to third two seasons in a row but to then claim that proves he's a great coach is so naive it's unbelievable.

We play some of the worst rugby in the league with a negative points difference! How can anyone be happy with this?

We are majorly inconsistent week to week and only come good for two or three games at the end of the season. It's far too late by then and it's not good enough IMO. We need to be as high up the table as to stand a chance of getting to the GF and the only way to do that is by having consistency in the weekly rounds.

How can we go from beating Leeds at Leeds and then lose to the likes of HKR or an injury ravaged Hull side? Add to that the pi$$ poor performances every time we meet Saints and the way we bottled it in the CC semi against Catalans there are A LOT MORE negatives than positives imo.

Noble needs to do more and the people who are happy with what we have "achieved" after the relegation season have their heads in the sand.

I guess it ultimately stems from what you want out of a Wigan side.

If you want results then I would argue it is difficult to criticise Nobby thus far.

If you personally disagree with his playing style, then ofc you can criticise.

The difference is that point #2 is subjective, point #1 isn't.

Unfortunately results show we went backwards. The Challenge Cup if you take the results option proves that. You cannot keep saying we finished 3rd either because in the league season we did not do so.

We alongside Warrington are the biggest underachievers in RL

Depends if you think good results are having a completely inconsistent season, getting spanked by Saints more times than i care to remember and then failing at the semi stage as they've given themselves to much to do by their inconsistency in the weekly rounds.

Yes I can. That is part of the point.

The current SL season is based around a playoff structure. Like it or not (and I feel that, especially this year, it has gone "too far") all the coaches know this at the start of the season, and must coach their teams with this in mind.

Therefore I CAN state with 100% accuracy that Wigan came 3rd.

You, however, CANNOT state that we didn't come 3rd.

Btw for the record, I actually think that this year is the year that Nobby will have a team that is "his".

I still think we are shy of a half and a prop, but maybe I will be proven wrong. Interesting to see how our style develops with a team that is more suited to Nobby's tactics.

Ah the trap door opens and BK falls into it.

BK you claim Noble was held back by players he did not want etc. In that case can you explin how you justify saying Noble got his team to third place but Calderwood's try and play v Bradford in that famous victory are irrelevant. Indeed, Calderwood held Noble back

You keep talking about the League. How then do you exlain that the team that finishes top of the league receives a League Leaders Shield but may not win SL ? Even the RFL seem to treat the league as different than the play offs

Neither have you answered my questions based on your method of assessing coaches are the following good or bad coaches?

Brian Smith?
Neil Henry?

What are Nobby's tactics?

What would you say to Leeds fans, they finished 2nd in the table last two years but are the champions...

Leeds won the SL Competition, St Helens won the League Leaders Competition.

Who was the more consistent? St Helens or Leeds?

BK et al tell me coaching is all about results. If this is so how can one finish 6th in the League Leaders Competition and yet with SL?

Truth be told SL makes a mockery of judging teams by results.