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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:25 pm 
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LovesToSpooge wrote:, I suppose you could say it's the quality of the runs that make the difference and not the quantity. .


Quite right. It's a tactic obviously deployed by Saints (top of the league) and Bradford (near the bottom)

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Jukesays wrote:Last year Super Duper Mickey Higham only did 161 in the WHOLE Year and thats all he did !

Your point is??????


The point is theres no improvement. I think you'll find I was a massive Mick Higham critic so I'm not impressed that we are still at that level with an import.

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Bilko wrote:Chad Randall 288
Terry Newton 261
Keiron Cunningham 199
Brad Drew 194
James Roby 189
Malcolm Alker 173
Scott Moore 172
Ben Fisher 165
Shaun Berrigan 155
Lincoln Withers 151
Neil Budworth 150
Matt Diskin 134
Casey McGuire 132
Daniel Fitzhenry 123
Ryan Hudson 119
Mark Riddell 117



Not good enough for me that!


But that's only half the story.
Can can you now post the number of metres made alongside those number of scoots.

It's o.k making a lot of scoots, but how much ground are they making?






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Jukesays wrote:Have a look at Higham's "Stats" for last year!

161 for the Whole Year, was he not "Fit Enough"????? Not Quick Enough?????

Pointless thread, You could pick holes in every player if you want to like that!


I don't cream over Higham like some people do but with Riddell being an overseas import I expected a vast improvement.

Do these stats indicate such an improvement? Hell no.






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Bilko wrote:The point is theres no improvement. I think you'll find I was a massive Mick Higham critic so I'm not impressed that we are still at that level with an import.


Were not still at that level though, unlike Higham there is more to Riddells game than dummy running and thats where he has strengthened us, he organises the team much better and bar friday night his distribution has been fantastic, his kicking game is better and McIlorum seems to be learning well off him. He may not make as many dummy runs but when he does he finds the gaps more often than not and makes loads of yards. He's starting to come into his own now and i think he's playing really well and i think its unfair to criticise him for the sake of it, statistics dont tell the full story.






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Roby 2012metres
Randall 1418
Cunningham 1299
Terry Newton 1266
Riddell 1028

Richards is our top metre maker with 2528.


Anyway I still expect more from an import player.


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Bilko wrote:Roby 2012metres
Randall 1418
Cunningham 1299
Terry Newton 1266
Riddell 1028

Richards is our top metre maker with 2528.


So Riddells metres per carry is quite impressive then, particularly as he is more of a passer of the ball.






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Chad Randall 288 - 1418 metres
Terry Newton 261 - 1266 metres
Keiron Cunningham 199 - 1299 metres
Brad Drew 194 - 999 metres
James Roby 189 - 2012 metres (christ!)
Malcolm Alker 173 - 1123 metres
Scott Moore 172 - 1230 metres
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Shaun Berrigan 155 - 1560 metres
Lincoln Withers 151 - 949 metres
Neil Budworth 150 - 998 metres
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Tony Catsmith wrote:better than higham though.


Mick Higham

Runs from dummy half - 109

Metres - 681

Mark Riddell

Runs from dummy half - 117

Metres - 1080






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I havent been overly impressed with Riddell yet but he isnt a "scooter" so to merely look at metres seems a pointless exercise. Surely for a more creative hooker, we need to look at try assists and things like that as well.

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