I think you could go further than just saying good defence is needed, I think we need great contact in the tackle from the start. Bradford did it well and look at their result. We need to keep Gidley out of the game.

Exactly, once you have the defense sorted confidence rises within the team and when attacking everything can become a lot easier as your not attacking to stay in the game because your defense is pants.

Sort your defense out and the tries will come.

Defence is our real big problem at the moment imo.

We look a side that can score big points now with a realy dangerous backline but unless we start to defend that bit better we won't achieve anything.

I said at the game on Sunday whilst we were 16-6 up that to win that game we'd have to score 30+ points because we wouldn't keep them much under that and thats how it proved.

The motivation to bend their backs just doesn't seem there in the majority of games.

Your spot on.

Saints scored three from three attacks. That was all that lost us that game, credit to everyone on that field for only giving them three attacks, but ultimatly we stood off Gidley, and dropped a bomb.

Improve our defense, and we could win.

COME ON WIGAN

It's not just defence it's these stupid penalties we keep giving away

Yeah given away silly penalties is a massive part we need to cut out. We gave away only 1 try in the second half to wakey last sunday and the tries they scored in the first half were mostly from our penalties

So it's Defence that wins games, Defence And Not giving away stupid penalties are the thing that win games.

Sorry

The 2 x things that win you games are Defence, Not giving away stupijd penalties And an ablilty to hold onto the ball !

No

The 3 x things that win you games are Defence, Not giving Penalties, ability to hold onto the Ball and an almost ruthless Execution in Attack!

NO NO NO!

The 4 x Things that Win you games are Defence, Not giving Penalties, ability to hold onto the Ball, ruthless Execution in Attack and scoring more points than the opposition!!

Oh God that's 5 things!

Discuss!

Defence can only draw games, perfect defence and no attack gives a team exaclty 0 points. Attack wins games, but your defence has to be better than the other teams attack.

If we play as well as we did on Maundy Thursday - ill be happy win or lose.

true call batesy but also true what king warrior says. PENS. been the biggest problem for us for years. no use playing well if your just going to throw it away with stupid pens. and also needlessly givin up possesion on 1ss or 2nd play of the ball. i think if we close em down n get in there plastic faces like bulls did. we'll av half a chance of turning them over. cant wait for it cumon wigan gidus a happy bank holiday for a change