I was just wondering if anyone else had seen it or if i was just seeing things or reading too much into it. Do you see at as a sign of the players falling out with the management or just a natural reaction to the score at that stage?

The signs have been there for the last 2 years in my opinion, and i have been vocal about them on here.

Well that particular incident - I wouldn't read anything into.

Joel is clearly unhappy that he is injured (we don't know for how long yet don't forget) and Wigan are losing.


I can't comment on the other stuff as I haven't noticed it myself.

Jesus. People will cling to anything wont they.

In what way?

The fact that there are direct signs of no confidence in the coach displayed week in week out or the fact that people chose to ignore them?

Or the fact he asked Joel if he was okay, and Joel said no. There was no evil glare and no big drama.

He was probably out of it, the commentary said he had blurred vision at the time, probably didn't know who he was looking at, and probably why Noble came looking at him and asking if he's ok.

Maybe. maybe not. But combine it with the other visable signs of discontent then could it be so easily over looked?

There is no smoke without fire and i think we have seen a few direct and indirect challenges to BN from his players that show all is not well. This is of course disregarding the inept performances.

I agree with that, things are clearly not well, and sadly, i think time is up on Noble's reign.

That being said, lets stick to facts and point, there was nothing in the Tomkins thing, lets stop looking for things to beat Noble with.

How can you be so sure, its something a few people picked up on. We are never going to know the ins and outs but in conjunction with the rest of the signs i do not think it is something that can be brushed to one side in my opinion.