Joined: Nov 20 2002 Posts: 3136 Location: Ashton,Wigan
JohnP wrote: I agree that the options near the line are limited,
They are but they are slowly getting better. The signing of Gleeson will allow Noble to get some combinations going down our right. Lets be honest, Hock and Carmont work fantastic together down the left but our right hand side has lacked any real punch. Once Gleeson gets to know the players around him and they get to know him we will have options on both sides. We also have to remember that Tomkins and Tommy will only improve as time goes on.
Joined: Feb 05 2009 Posts: 1429 Location: yickersville (HAYDOCK)
Deano G wrote:After last night I think I'm more of a Noble Doubter than ever. I just can't see him taking this team any further. 3 wins from 9 with this squad simply isn't good enough.
Yet again the Wigan players proved that they can be competitive against a top side, despite a shocking start to the season overall.
Yet again we appear to have very few moves and to be poorly organised in attack.
If the failure of Wigan to deliver more consistent performances and to be better organised in attack isn't BN's responsiblity then whose is it? I'd really like to hear this from the Noble Defenders. (And please, no Lockers Knockers claiming everything is our captain's fault!).
At the end of the day BN is the coach and this side simply does not look well coached.
The rumours are that a search for a replacement is already underway but that we will have to wait until the off-season. This means that this season is likely to be a write-off, I hope I'm wrong but I can't see us getting a result at Wakey in the CC, which for me in reality will be the end of our season this year: we are just going to finish too low in the table to be able to mount a successful challenge for the GF (assuming of course that we even finish in the top 8, which is doubtful at the moment ).
stop talking crap we played very well last night a broke the line more last night than we have all season saints on the line defnce was awsome
Joined: Apr 16 2003 Posts: 498 Location: Living closer to the Pie Dome in Ashton
Red Hot Jalapeno wrote:Absolute rubbish. We played very well last night and had we had a bit more luck/composure/experience would of beaten Saints. Do not lose sight of the fact that Saints have just dismantled Leeds at Headingly and are the best team in the comp by far.
The problem for Wigan last night was when Ainscough got that second try we got too carried away as a team thinking we had won it. Saints managed to get into a good position and scored one try from a error by Carmont (rushing out of defence) and then another try by a speculative bomb. Luckily the ball came free and Pryce was in the right place at the right time-game over. Had we took all our chances then we would of been out of sight anyway but thats the way Rugby League goes.
To keep bringing up the early season losses does no good for anybody. Weve lost those games now and theres no amount of moaning will alter the past.
At last a sensible post.
We all wish we hadnt lost the early games, but anybody that cant see the improvements must just have an agenda or axe to grind.
Deano G wrote:I don't think we'll have to wait till the end of the year, our season could effectively be over within a month at this rate.
It's not getting rid of him before the end of the season that could be difficult, it's replacing him before then.
I too feel that Noble has taken us as far as he's capable, and that the club should act accordingly. But we have to get the right person to replace him, and that may take time.
Grr get behind Noble and the team, then if he leaves forget him if you want but while he is at Wigan I am behind him and the team 100%
Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS
Joined: Sep 19 2003 Posts: 3525 Location: Manchester
shooter69 wrote:stop talking crap we played very well last night a broke the line more last night than we have all season saints on the line defnce was awsome
Now, now. There's no need for abuse. If you don't agree with me then fine.
Many posters on this thread seem to be satisfied with a narrow defeat to Saints even if the rest of the season so far has been poor.
I do have "an axe to grind" which is that this is not good enough for Wigan. Maybe you all have different ideas about what Wigan's standards should be, perhaps you're all happy with 3 wins from 9 and a narrow defeat to Saints at home. I'm not.
The point I was making was that both the inconsistency so far this season and the lack of attacking moves are BN's responsibility at the end of the day. I stand by that.
To be honest I am amazed that Noble has so many defenders, most of the people that I spoke to last night are fed up with the poor tactics, poor preparation and the boring one-man style of rugby that BN favours.
Badwanger wrote:IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.
nickmanator wrote:billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind
robbierotten wrote:Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.
Deano G wrote:Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 14395 Location: Chester
Memony wrote:This is the same defence that we struggled to break down that Leeds couldn't get a sniff of breaking down... Saints are a very, very good defensive unit under Potter.
The fact is at times we were stood still in attack with no runners. Players were stood still when taking the ball. It was the same last night at times as it has been all season.
Likewise we have conceded tries close to our line all season. We often spend time in the opposition half but come up with little or nothing then as soon as they get a sniff of our line they are in. That is exactly what happened last night but has been this way all season.
Dave
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20 Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
Joined: Sep 19 2003 Posts: 3525 Location: Manchester
Cruncher wrote:It's not getting rid of him before the end of the season that could be difficult, it's replacing him before then.
I too feel that Noble has taken us as far as he's capable, and that the club should act accordingly. But we have to get the right person to replace him, and that may take time.
Don't disagree. Sadly though I think there's a big chance our season will be over in a few weeks' time. That's a depressing thought.
What I can't understand is why Noble still has so many supporters when the team is not delivering good performances (let alone winnning) on a consistent basis.
Badwanger wrote:IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.
nickmanator wrote:billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind
robbierotten wrote:Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.
Deano G wrote:Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?
Deano G wrote:Don't disagree. Sadly though I think there's a big chance our season will be over in a few weeks' time. That's a depressing thought.
What I can't understand is why Noble still has so many supporters when the team is not delivering good performances (let alone winnning) on a consistent basis.
I don't think he will have for long. It possibly depends on what happens in the cup, given that the league's already long gone.
One thing's for sure. People will no longer be fooled by the end of season spurt (assuming it happens with no Trent Barrett to inspire it).
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