Nice to see they threw the book at him! Reckon you are right about him not playing for em again, he was already suspended and sent home

....and another refereeing thread

Dog, read the thread, it wasn’t me that brought up the Refs!

Is this how refs are trained ?

The laws state that the tackled player shall be immediately released and shall not be touched until the ball is in play. The laws also state that the tackled player shall without delay regain his feet where he was tackled. I don't see any particular sequence of those events implied by the laws but the most obvious one is that the tackled player is released and then regains their feet.

So lets say a tackle is complete and after 10 seconds the tackler has not released the tackled player and neither has the tackled player regained their feet. Perhaps both players are cheating but what will the ref do ?

So what’s the difference between dominant and surrender tackle? That is not written in the basic laws of the game! Do you know what the officials looks for in a tackle and when the player is expected to release the tackled player immediately or is allowed to hold down for longer period? It’s not written in the basic laws of the game! Do you know the difference in the call to indicate th3 tackle is complete? It’s not in the basic laws of the game!

If the referee has called move, and the tackler has failed to move it’s a penalty to the attacking team. If the tackled player then stays on the ground stop the clock! A tackled player cannot get up of the ground until the tackler has released him. If tackler stays on the ground trying to waste time, the clock is stopped. The penalty cannot be reversed

You are the so-called expert and I asked a specific question !! I am trying to understand how refs come to the (to me sometimes inexplicable) decisions they do but you are not really helping by responding with further questions you should know the answers to.

You are suggesting that if the tackler fails to move it would be a penalty regardless of whether the tackled players stays on the ground. Earlier you were saying you need to attempt get up in order to win a penalty. I'm confused. No wonder there is inconsistency.

Save your breath. He just argues in circles and never admits he makes an error.

In this instance, the moment a player goes down the tackled player should wriggle and attempt to get up, therefore attracting the attention of the ref and "milking" a penalty.....this in itself is cheating and has been part of RL for eons.....same way the wrestle tackle is deigned to
turtle" a player and delay the PTB.......it's a thin line and open to interpretation.... which leads to inconsistencies and it id 100% the job of the referees to remove all inconsistencies......so we need better refs.....or we need stronger rules.

Not arguing in circles at all! If a player wriggles on the ground he s not attempting to regain his feet, in fact totally opposite, and I agree this is an attempt to milk the penalty and yes is actually trying to cheat! What rule is being broken though?
The wrestle tackle and turtling as you say is against the rules, but as you say, quite rightly how the official interpreters the rule is down to exactly that, interpretation. So you have two choices! Allow interpretation in a fluid game or strict adherence to the laws which therefore alllows no advantage and penalises every infringement.
Our game then never gets past tackle one, ie American football, is that the game we want?

I will also offer up the thought that as a fan sat stood maybe 50 60 70 mtrs away from an event it might look very different to what the player or ref 5 mtrs away has seen.
I am always amazed how a person stood behind the sticks at Wigan! Wembley! Or a schools game in oxford can judge offside better than the 13 players and one ref in the middle can!
As for the wriggling player, he will may get the attention of the ref, he will not get the penalty, the player who plants his foot in the turf quite likely will, have you spotted the difference?

You comments only covers attending matches it does not cover matches on TV when you probably have as good a view as the REF and his mistakes stand out.