first of all im not meaning to have a dig at the refs here as such, just want to understand why we are always at the wrong end of a big penalty count?

i understand all the penalties we concede are warrented and we may concede 10 plus a game, but are you telling me that the other team are not making any infringments? they never offside or reef a ball or even lay on a second longer than they should?

sure penalise us for our foul play, but all i ask is that the other team gets penalised for their infringments aswell, lets have a bit of consistancy here!!

i think we have won the penalty count once this season vs quins at home, and thats only because we had all the ball and all the play.

That is because Thaler let the game flow and there were very few penalties in total. Against the Quins.

I think you have answered your own question. We are still giving away stupid penalties. I'm not worried about other teams, lets get our own house in order first.

We do give away some daft penalties but I would argue that we're no different to any other side in trying to slow things down at the PTB. All teams do it.

Our first home game against Saints we were up and off them very fast but they hung on in there and didn't get pinged. We'd have been stupid then, given the advantage it gives the defending side in setting up the line, not to adopt that ourselves.

Ultimately it's boiling down to the shirt on your back and the whining of coaches who can't take getting beat. The Leeds Saints game for example had plenty of rough house but the game was lauded as a great game. I'd suggest if we'd have been Leeds that night they'd still be talking about the blatant thuggery etc now. It's pathetic.

Lets not go there, we are beginning to sound like those "Big Teams"supporters.
l firmly believe that Sir, only gives what he see's.
There are 37 people taking part in a match, l have never seen any one of them have a perfect game.
To err is human, to forgive is devine.
But sometimes they make me

im not surprised you give so many penaltys away with 'tough guys' like mason in your side

I didn't see Mason starting Tomkins? Thats akin to Hansen bulldozing Moore isnt it?

And I'm not surprised you don't win many with lads like Fielden in yours...

You lost FFS get over it. Tell that to the idiot who elbowed Moore in the face.

You are Jackie Reeve of Newton-le-Willows and I claim my five spuds...