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gateaux wrote:Interesting - and slightly odd - analysis!! I didn't realise that the stickers you had in your car or the clothes you wear to a match say anything about how long you have been supporting a club
I think it says more about the poster really.
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Ivor C&G Scarf wrote:Having read the first few pages and couldn't be bothered with the last 3, here's may take - and I apologise if I repeat anything that's already been said.
Point 1. In terms of atmosphere, I prefer going to away matches. We singers/chanters are all together and - when we are winning, playing well, or in with a shout - the noise is excellent. However, when we are losing badly, it is only the small, hardcore singers who continue to be vocal.
At the Galpharm there are probably as many singers in the Riverside as there are opposite us. However, we are spread out whereas in the Britannia there are all together.
Point 2. It's the old 'lost generations' point. 'New' people coming to watch will either be new, or supporters from years gone by. For the latter category, singing at rugby matches is a new experience. It didn't use to happen.
Point 3. Put 1 & 2 together and it's hardly surprising that we were lacking the noise that Wire were making. I started the game in a singing mood, but the team's performance soon put paid to that. Yes, we do need noise to lift the team, but as has already been stated, the team has to play its part too.
As the first half wore on it became increasingly obvious that it wasn't going to be our day and even I just sat there totally flat and almost devoid of any emotion.
Wire were on top, their fans made the noise. How many would have been singing had we been on top? [A rhetorical question, by the way. I don't want to start a slanging match with Warrington because I know they would have made .]some noise.
I agree with this and, like Ivor, cannot be a4sed reading 7 pages of stuff that is basically dumping on our own when it wont change anything for the reasons the above poster has highlighted.
Saints in the semi we were magnificent and so were the team. In the Final neither were.
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Danril wrote:Saints in the semi we were magnificent
You certainly were. You outsung us by a country mile and we were 2:1 in numbers. But we were relatively silent probably for the same reason your guys were relatively silent: our team was losing and it's tough to keep going with the vocal support when your team is losing. But that didn't stop many Saints fans bagging other Saints fans for not being vocal enough at the semi!
SaintsFan wrote:You certainly were. You outsung us by a country mile and we were 2:1 in numbers. But we were relatively silent probably for the same reason your guys were relatively silent: our team was losing and it's tough to keep going with the vocal support when your team is losing. But that didn't stop many Saints fans bagging other Saints fans for not being vocal enough at the semi!
I don't think bragging is the right word. More like voicing concerns about the lack of vocal support. However, I do agree that sometimes it goes a bit over the top in trying to build a "perfect fan".
You don't need to be making lots of noise to be a good fan (although I do agree it must at times be a good boost for the team to have the fans behind them vocally) but not everyone is a singer for whatever reason and if that is how they are happy at the games then so beit - as long as they leave those who do want to sing to sing then no problems!
SaintsFan wrote:Don't be too hard on your fans. Wembley is a tough gig and it can be overwhelming. I remember last year I lost my voice shouting and chanting and stuff but Saints fans were hardly if at all heard on the TV because 75% of the crowd were shouting for Hull! Wire were always going to take a big crowd down - they pull good crowds generally - and add to that the neutrals who would have been clapping every try and cheering for no-one, and it was always going to be tough for your fans.
Are you serious?Wembley is a 'tough gig' and can be 'overwhelming' and it was always going to be 'tough' for your fans? They are just supporters required to shout the odd chant from the stands,not professional performers on debut at the Royal Albert Hall.Get real,you sound daft.
SaintsFan wrote:You certainly were. You outsung us by a country mile and we were 2:1 in numbers. But we were relatively silent probably for the same reason your guys were relatively silent: our team was losing and it's tough to keep going with the vocal support when your team is losing. But that didn't stop many Saints fans bagging other Saints fans for not being vocal enough at the semi!
Thats the thing. Not only were our team losing, it felt as if from the 3rd minute we never looked close to winning. After spending all that money, to get an underpar performance (or so it felt), I felt a little too disheartened to sing my heart out. Saying that, I did make a bit of noise when I thought something may happen.
I have a season ticket and have done for years now. I have been to watch the club all over the country, including Whitehaven on a Wednesday night when we couldn't buy a win. I'm a fourth generation Fartown fan.
But I don't wear a replica shirt (although I would if they brought out another black strip) and I don't sing or chant. Why? Because i go to a rugby match to watch rugby, if I wanted to sing I'd go to a karaoke contest. I'll cheer and shout encouragement but not sing. That's just my way of supporting the side.
None of this makes me a better or worse fan than anyone else that supports the club to the best of their ability. ATEOTD everybody is an individual and that means we will all support the club in ways that we feel appropriate but one thing unites us all. We all support the club. Full stop. As has been mentioned before you cannot berate someone because they don't share your beliefs, it's not a cult or a religion it's sport.
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i dont think daz was trying to "bag" anyone or have a go at anyone i think like me and a lot of others who were trying our hardest to raise a bit of vocal support for OUR team,majority of supporters didn't want to know.
fair enough the team's performance and going behind in the first minute didn't help as most people would have been disheartened.
the thing that disappoints me is that a lot of our supporters failed to support the team on saturday,when they needed a lift, our supporters failed to do that,when the decisions for the tries went against us they needed the fans' backing,they didn't get it,im not slagging anyone off its their choice whether they want to be vocal or not, some people are happy to just sit and spectate and not get involved thats fair enough but we had enough "supporters" on saturday to make some noise and try and lift the guys but for some reason the majority chose to sit in silence.
most of the people around us were complaining about people standing up and encouraging the team. its not just singing that im talking about,im talking about just clapping the lads or shouting some encouragement for them, im afraid our lot showed no passion at all on saturday and i cant help but feel that wire fans' passion and noise helped them get on top
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right, ok as the original poster can i just say that i have calmed down somewhat and maybe i was a tad harsh at first due to the emotions and dissapointment running through me at the time.
I didnt mean to 'bag' anyone or make out anyone is less of a fan because i know that you guys on here are the real fans.
i guess it was just a case of i felt a huge sense of let down as i expected the cup final to be a party occasion whatever the result but obviously others didnt share that sentiment on the day.
i'm stil sticking to my point though that we could have tried a bit harder but anyway the day is over now, the memories are still there and i'm starting to get ready for the play-offs !!!
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