Well I think we now realise our top 4 hopes are on a knife edge. As I take it none of us is privy to a super computer in order to enter all the remaining fixtures with all the different variables attached, I will try to make sense of all the available information we have at hand,making full use of the A level maths attained at Leigh Grammar. FIrstly, I think we are all agreed we need to win our last 4 matches. Next there are 2 important top 6 matches this weekend - Fax v Fev and Toulouse v London. Looking at recent history, I'm leaning towards Fev. and Toulouse being the winners. Fev won both matches at the Shay last season 32-10 and 26-20, while London have already lost to Toulouse twice this season 16-36 and 28-40. This would mean one more loss for needed for both for us to grab 4th . Halifax have to play London away and Toulouse at home, so may be vulnerable there,while London have Fax at home and Fev.away and could also be vulnerable. That is the hopeful scenario. The problem scenario is Fax beating Fev. who are most unlikely to lose at home to London. This could lead us to a final weekend of hoping Toronto beating Fev. on the Saturday and then trying to match up a points difference of anywhere between 30 and 60 points against Sheffiield the following day- at least we will know what difference will be, but can w depend on a fully focussed Toronto on the last day of the season? Other variable to be taken into account include the weather (other top 6 sides have been running riot against the bottom 4 teams in the continuing hot weather-this hot spell can't last forever-it will just be our luck to be wet and windy for the last 3 weeks in July!!) FInally a minor point the kick off against Rochdale may be brought forward if England are in the Workd cup final. Hope that's helped to solve the conundrum.

Thanks for clarifying that CL - and to think, I was confused before your contribution. Simple, really, isn't it?!

Totally agree CL, but my simpler view ,is if the winds from the East,the lean to the West.

I can at least provide assurance on the last point, England will not reach the World Cup Final. As for the rest of it, I'm confident but can't guarantee we'll be in the middle eights.

England have more chance of getting to the World Cup Final than Leigh do of reaching the middle 8’s.

Have you been banned from the VT or summat??

No Col,he's tried to get some Leythers banned on the VT, and now he's rubbing his nose in on here.

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