FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Warrington Wolves George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:46 am 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Mar 15 2008
Posts: 17255
The strange case of George Williams.

I dared to post some disappointment in him mid season, and rightly or wrongly was put into a corner by every poster who replied.
Now I feel there are still unanswered questions…

His ability is not in question, but where is the world class halfback we signed and made the richest earner in SL history?

Who can honestly say Wire have…
The Williams that ripped it up at Wigan and became a GF & CC winner, more than once?
The Williams that was headlines all over Australasia, as the best half back in the world at Canberra?
The Williams that was a sensation and proud skipper for England against Tonga?

Where was just one of those 3 Williams above at St Helens in the play off? That Williams would have won that game.
I cannot fathom it, as The Williams we have now is/was leading the Man of Steel on points? How?






Packs Win Games
Great Packs Make All Backs Look Class
#onceawirealwaysawire

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:30 am 
Moderator
Moderator

Joined: Mar 01 2002
Posts: 39707
I've no problem with Williams this year, if Ashton hadn't won player of the year it would have been George easily.

Has he been let down by parts of the team post collapse? Probably

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:47 am 
International Star
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Jul 22 2010
Posts: 2891
Location: Appleton Thorn
I'm quite happy too & think he needs more running firepower around him.
Expectations are, quite rightly, high but all top players have quiet games. He needs a restful off season to clear up injury niggles.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:06 am 
International Star
Club Captain

Joined: Apr 09 2015
Posts: 2969
As you’ve said many times Duckie, he needs a pack around him doing the business, which for the last 2/3rds of the season he hasn’t had.

My one criticism is he tends to run the ball too much when we are clearly underperforming, I can see it almost as a barometer of the team performance how much Williams feels he must run the ball.

Several times against Saints he had the ball in a bit of space and there just weren’t the passing options, line runners available to him. We need people in movement when we have the ball, one for Burgess and Gleeson to work on in pre season.

I wouldn’t swap him for another half in SL.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:06 am 
International Star
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Jan 30 2015
Posts: 2287
No issues with Williams what so ever, one of our best and most consistant players all year.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:13 am 
International Star
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Aug 29 2012
Posts: 3084
We seem quitr keen to give Georgie an excuse but there is undoubtedly a pattern - in a Wire shirt I've never seen him take a game of magnitude by the scruff of the nexk and dominate.

The pack this year may have underperformed bur in several games they provided a platform and Williams failed to deliver.

Lomax is delivering consistently alongside an averagr HB partner and with a beat up pack.

French isn't even a half back and is playing superbly alongside an average HB partner with a workmanlike Wigan pack.

Our culture of not holding marquee playera up to the scrutiny their wages dictate they should be placed under is part of the problem.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:53 pm 
International Star
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Jul 22 2010
Posts: 2891
Location: Appleton Thorn
morrisseyisawire wrote:We seem quitr keen to give Georgie an excuse but there is undoubtedly a pattern - in a Wire shirt I've never seen him take a game of magnitude by the scruff of the nexk and dominate.

The pack this year may have underperformed bur in several games they provided a platform and Williams failed to deliver.

Lomax is delivering consistently alongside an averagr HB partner and with a beat up pack.

French isn't even a half back and is playing superbly alongside an average HB partner with a workmanlike Wigan pack.

Our culture of not holding marquee playera up to the scrutiny their wages dictate they should be placed under is part of the problem.


I think you might be underplaying the strength of Saints (beat up??) & Wigan (workmanlike) packs & overplaying the consistency of both their half backs. But agree our top players should always be up to scrutiny.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:57 pm 
Player Coach
International Star

Joined: Apr 15 2006
Posts: 5504
Location: newton-le-willows
Saints aren't frightened of moving players on if they don't quite fit in & buying a better piece of the jig saw. I'm sure many of our players are more than happy to see out their time with us in the comfort zone that is the Wire.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:45 pm 
First Team Player
Junior Player

Joined: Dec 25 2020
Posts: 134
GW is by far our best player.
However, you only had to watch this mornings NRL final to see a top top half back in Nathan Cleary. I know he has better players around him but the way he got Penrith on the winners platform with that last 20 mins performance was incredible.
That what I wanted GW to do yesterday, win us the game. He’s probably carrying a injury but I bet you it won’t stop him turning out for England at end of month.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:02 pm 
Player Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Jun 25 2006
Posts: 14097
Location: Forum21
He's a good player but obviously made his mind up when returning to the UK to chase the ÂŁÂŁÂŁ rather than the trophies. Can't blame him for that.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next





It is currently Fri Nov 01, 2024 12:18 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Abe Froman, Bunkaib, DizzyHeights, Google Feedfetcher, Matt King's kitten, Smiffy27 and 193 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Fri Nov 01, 2024 12:18 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
5m
England vs Samoa
jonh
81
17m
Jerome Luai
jonh
16
31m
Shareholders Meeting
Dunkirk Spir
80
49m
Squad numbers 2025
Dr Dreadnoug
45
55m
Sky tv deals
karetaker
5
57m
Film game
Boss Hog
4871
57m
2025 Recruitment
bullinenemyl
144
Recent
2025 New Home Shirt
Septimius Se
11
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Roam Ranger
3599
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
Velcro Boots
3459
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
39s
Pre Season - 2025
Roam Ranger
24
1m
Squad 2025
Tony Fax
7
1m
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
just_browny
3
2m
IMG scores
Belle Vue
252
2m
Is Eamon OCarroll off Yes New Coach Thread
Wigan Bull
125
2m
Rumours and signings v9
moto748
28867
2m
2025 Recruitment
bullinenemyl
144
2m
New Kit
Or thane
32
3m
TV Games - Not Hull
Jake the Peg
3072
3m
England Vs Samoa Test Series
tigertot
31
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
just_browny
3
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Wires71
7
TODAY
Sky tv deals
karetaker
5
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Lord Tony Sm
24
TODAY
New Kit
Or thane
32
TODAY
Memorable Games
Rugby Raider
6
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
TonyM19
10
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
Roam Ranger
24
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
23
TODAY
The Aussies are coming
Bullseye
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa Comfortably In First Test
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
England v Samoa
karetaker
23
TODAY
England vs Samoa
jonh
81
TODAY
Trinity back on super league forum
RoyBoy29
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Maika Sivo - Expires 2028
batleyrhino
36
TODAY
Danny McGuire new head coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
What happens now
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Liam Kay
phe13
51
TODAY
Coach announced
The Dors
14
TODAY
This forum
Bunkaib
7
TODAY
OUT 2025 Paul Momirovski - Released
Sir Gregory
23
TODAY
Aston Banned
Ilkley Fax
4
TODAY
Morgan Smithies
Zig
3
TODAY
Season Tickets 2025
stpatricks
3
TODAY
Jerome Luai
jonh
16
TODAY
Betting for 2025 season
tigertot
15
TODAY
Super League
Trojan Horse
18
TODAY
2025 Season tickets
Trojan Horse
97
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
525
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
405
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
563
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1186
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1401
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1680
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1267
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1543
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
1878
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1475
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1569
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1668
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1897
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
2016
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
2455
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024 2 England M34-18Samoa M
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
5m
England vs Samoa
jonh
81
17m
Jerome Luai
jonh
16
31m
Shareholders Meeting
Dunkirk Spir
80
49m
Squad numbers 2025
Dr Dreadnoug
45
55m
Sky tv deals
karetaker
5
57m
Film game
Boss Hog
4871
57m
2025 Recruitment
bullinenemyl
144
Recent
2025 New Home Shirt
Septimius Se
11
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Roam Ranger
3599
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
Velcro Boots
3459
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
39s
Pre Season - 2025
Roam Ranger
24
1m
Squad 2025
Tony Fax
7
1m
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
just_browny
3
2m
IMG scores
Belle Vue
252
2m
Is Eamon OCarroll off Yes New Coach Thread
Wigan Bull
125
2m
Rumours and signings v9
moto748
28867
2m
2025 Recruitment
bullinenemyl
144
2m
New Kit
Or thane
32
3m
TV Games - Not Hull
Jake the Peg
3072
3m
England Vs Samoa Test Series
tigertot
31
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
just_browny
3
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Wires71
7
TODAY
Sky tv deals
karetaker
5
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Lord Tony Sm
24
TODAY
New Kit
Or thane
32
TODAY
Memorable Games
Rugby Raider
6
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
TonyM19
10
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
Roam Ranger
24
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
23
TODAY
The Aussies are coming
Bullseye
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa Comfortably In First Test
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
England v Samoa
karetaker
23
TODAY
England vs Samoa
jonh
81
TODAY
Trinity back on super league forum
RoyBoy29
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Maika Sivo - Expires 2028
batleyrhino
36
TODAY
Danny McGuire new head coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
What happens now
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Liam Kay
phe13
51
TODAY
Coach announced
The Dors
14
TODAY
This forum
Bunkaib
7
TODAY
OUT 2025 Paul Momirovski - Released
Sir Gregory
23
TODAY
Aston Banned
Ilkley Fax
4
TODAY
Morgan Smithies
Zig
3
TODAY
Season Tickets 2025
stpatricks
3
TODAY
Jerome Luai
jonh
16
TODAY
Betting for 2025 season
tigertot
15
TODAY
Super League
Trojan Horse
18
TODAY
2025 Season tickets
Trojan Horse
97
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
525
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
405
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
563
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1186
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1401
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1680
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1267
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1543
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
1878
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1475
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1569
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1668
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1897
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
2016
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
2455


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.