I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.

I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.

Beltin absolutely beltin not only have we "got one" that bangs on about Pennys Defence

here's another little pearler who dreams Penny cant Catch as well......

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" he missed 1 tackle per game......? but the tries have been flying in down his wing according to the Wolves fan from Latchford....who's responsible for the other tries if Penny misses one tackle per game

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" he missed 1 tackle per game......? but the tries have been flying in down his wing according to the Wolves fan from Latchford....who's responsible for the other tries if Penny misses one tackle per game

so can i expect a string of personal insults now ?

unless it's delivered right at him he can't take it. whereas king could receive it on his boot strings and he'd catch it

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" One tackle missed per game. String him up and sack him immediately!

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" One tackle missed per game. String him up and sack him immediately!

You need to rename yourself Prozac, cause [ithat[/i has just cracked me up no end.

No I save them for LWF youve only just started talking nonsense he's been doing it for months........ stick around for a while I'll see what I can come up with......


you might have missed King coughing up the ball in our own quarter yesterday.......but I loved his apology so I didnt think it was important.....

shows your knowledge really, how can king be covering for for penny when penny is winger and king is centre, that means when gaps appear outside the winger, centre and 2nd row be must out of position.

name me one player who has never done that ?
they all do it, it is just the regularity of said offence.
some more than others.

I think LWF is the worst poster on here in truth. I liked Padders, I thought he was daft at times, and one eyed but I liked his passion, and I thought from time to time he made decent points. What he was prepared to do was at least attempt to see other people's point of view.

What LWF is, is a cheap immitation, minus the likeable bits. If it was me, I would wonder why on every topic I comment on, it's me vs 1000. The fact that LWF thinks that this adds further proof that he's the knowledgable one, and doesn't make him question himself tells me everything I need to know about him.

The fact that, in a pyramid of knowledge that he created/made up, he placed himself in the same bracket at SJM, Hoyle, Gatcliffe, well, that's the stuff that padded cells are made of.

I accept other points of view, i told Dave T "Good point well made" that seems to me that i accepted his opinion.

You didn't.

You agreed with his point, then showed yourself up again by banging on about how King had been a revelation for Melbourne on the wing, and how previous coaches were to blame for Kings form, as they'd played him out of position at centre.

Then, later in the thread, when picked up about Penny again, you go on about King, and how his poor form at centre has been because he's been covering for Kevin Penny, and that's why his decision making & positional play have left a lot to be desired.

You basically, don't like individuals, you make ti perfectly clear, and even when presented with pretty good points, resort to "Well, in my opinion, Kevin Penny is the weakest ...."

Kevin Penny has not played for Warrington Wolves in a side that has had a solid defensive structure, that he could become part of. The problems that Penny encountered, Matt King encountered against Catalans at home. They scored a try that floated over & past him and he looked the preverbial idiot torn between staying out wide, or closing the space inside him. If Smith fixes this problem, and the line stays spread out, 99% of Pennys problems will go away. His only dangers will be the same as any other SL winger, bombs, grubbers in behind, marking your opposite number etc, which I think he's shown his capable of, and has plenty of room for improvement in equal measure.

A lot of this stuff you have made up but well done anyway, a forum is all about opinions, everyone has them and everyone is entitled to them, sometimes people agree sometimes they don't, it's a way of life.

Can you give an opinion as to why Penny's defence is below average playing in the reserves

No I haven't.

You do that stuff little SJM, not me.

Exhibit A



Exhibit B



Where's the lies.

get a room guys

You said i was banging on about Matt king playing for Melbourne on the wing, i mentioned it once and apologised when i got it wrong. I have no problem with anybody on this forum, i done know 80% of people on here, i just don't agree with some opinion and i respect some people more than others (Rugby related) but again that's just a way of life.

Why is it the two times I have seen him play in the reserves, his defence hasn't been below average? The other two games; we trounced Wakefield and had a close win against Harlequins.

You need to accept you are talking biased e.

If a player or anybody deserves credit then fair is fair he deserves it but from what i have seen of the reserve games, Penny's defence wasn't the best.

No, because it isn't.

There is no problem with his defence, he can tackle well. How many tries have you seen for the reserves where folk have run through/over/around him ?

The only problems Kevin Penny has had to date have been where he is stood, he must be partly blamed for constantly getting caught off his wing, but in equal measure he hasn't been supported by a dtrong structure and I've given you an example of when the same happened to Matt King. The way we set up with an 'in to out' look, asked for this to happen. The three defenders inside him didn't slide, and he was exposed, and sometimes he didn't help himself. This 'defence' thing is a myth, he's not been run over the top of time & time again, he's held his own many times face up, it's when he can't see his opponent, that's been the worry.

would anyone trust him at fulback, seriously if the answer is no then there must be some doubt to either his catching/positioning or tackling.

Very good point indeed (not being sarcastic) i also accept that teams don't focus on the left wing anymore because Penny doesn't play there and that maybe the reason for no tries being scored there in the last 2 games.

He played Full-back a few times for the reserves but i wouldn't be confidant.

forget what all of us on the forum think of Penny myself included

ask yourself this why is it that the opposition are targeting him?

i suspect they are following their coaches orders and ask yourself this

Why would coaches instruct their players to target his wing ?

They don't. (didn't)

Our left hand side was targetted, traffic through Monaghan, runners run through King, Anderson sucked in etc. Teams would play a couple of plays around the posts, knowing that our left edge would pull in, then would go back to that edge and find Penny iscolated and would prey on him making the wrong decision, or not the right decision say.

Teams don't target Penny, nobody runs through him, consistently anyhow, they may have bumped him off 5m out etc, the point i'm making is, the left hand side defence is the target, not Penny. Teams targetted the sapce around Penny, inside & out, not the individual, he was one of three or four blokes that were targetted, it was their 'zone'. When he was new, teams kicked to him, he used to get driven back in the tackle, he doesn't anymore, he's stronger, knows how to use his body. He's good in the air, both attacking & defensively.

You get Penny confident, and a structure that helps him, and he helps himself by working hard, listening, getting himself in the right positions etc, you'll soon see teams stay away from that left hand side, as it'll be a dangerous play.

jwp you should be his PR man
listening to that make me want to sing Jeresulum and start quoting Churchill
Benefit of the doubt it is then

but i do concede he is young and when he 'matures' i think he'll be a real threat just not this season