So let me guess this right. Despite conceeding 40 plus points per game, that is okay because we aren't conceding down the left wing? Now bearing in mind the one game Penny did play, albeit threequarters, we conceeded less points against Saints, on their own ground, at which time when Penny left the field the game was quite even.

Are you on another wind-up?

The only thing that needs winding is his neck. Back in.

Wind-up, me, you lot will see when you remove those primrose and blue tinted specs.

Got you there. No-one is denying we have had defensive problems, so you can't accuse them of P&B specs. The FACTS are - we have had defensive issues, all over the field. Sometimes it's down to missed tackles, other times it's shooting out of the line, sometimes it's not sliding together and leaving huge holes. All of these problems have occurred at various times in differing areas of the pitch.

To blame all this on Penny and claim they've all been solved because he's not in the team, is a) simplistic b) naive and c) exposing a poor RL knowledge.

The primrose and blue specs are what's causing people to believe players like Penny, Briers and Clarke are world beaters.

For about the 3rd time i have NOT blamed Penny for the TEAMS defencive mishaps, i am however blaming him for the LEFT SIDED DEFENCIVE MISHAPS, will you people read properly.

But as you have mentioned, in his absence we haven't conceded many on the left, which means the problem lies elsewhere.

Right, just so we are clear on this - you have never thought King's positioning to be poor, or Louis Anderson to have shot out of position looking for a big hit, or Monas to be missing due to having done too much tackling earlier in a set or in the middle of the field? You've never, ever seen any of that?

I believe King's positioning was poor due to him having to cover for Penny at the same time, i have seen Louis fly out of the line yes, but in the squad of players that we have Penny is the worst defender.
He isn't that good at defending in the reserves, or is that due to his centre being poor again

just give the lad an extensive tackling/catching program.
2 years should be enough

I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.

I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.

Beltin absolutely beltin not only have we "got one" that bangs on about Pennys Defence

here's another little pearler who dreams Penny cant Catch as well......

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" he missed 1 tackle per game......? but the tries have been flying in down his wing according to the Wolves fan from Latchford....who's responsible for the other tries if Penny misses one tackle per game

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" he missed 1 tackle per game......? but the tries have been flying in down his wing according to the Wolves fan from Latchford....who's responsible for the other tries if Penny misses one tackle per game

so can i expect a string of personal insults now ?

unless it's delivered right at him he can't take it. whereas king could receive it on his boot strings and he'd catch it

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" One tackle missed per game. String him up and sack him immediately!

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" One tackle missed per game. String him up and sack him immediately!

You need to rename yourself Prozac, cause [ithat[/i has just cracked me up no end.

No I save them for LWF youve only just started talking nonsense he's been doing it for months........ stick around for a while I'll see what I can come up with......


you might have missed King coughing up the ball in our own quarter yesterday.......but I loved his apology so I didnt think it was important.....

shows your knowledge really, how can king be covering for for penny when penny is winger and king is centre, that means when gaps appear outside the winger, centre and 2nd row be must out of position.

name me one player who has never done that ?
they all do it, it is just the regularity of said offence.
some more than others.

I think LWF is the worst poster on here in truth. I liked Padders, I thought he was daft at times, and one eyed but I liked his passion, and I thought from time to time he made decent points. What he was prepared to do was at least attempt to see other people's point of view.

What LWF is, is a cheap immitation, minus the likeable bits. If it was me, I would wonder why on every topic I comment on, it's me vs 1000. The fact that LWF thinks that this adds further proof that he's the knowledgable one, and doesn't make him question himself tells me everything I need to know about him.

The fact that, in a pyramid of knowledge that he created/made up, he placed himself in the same bracket at SJM, Hoyle, Gatcliffe, well, that's the stuff that padded cells are made of.

I accept other points of view, i told Dave T "Good point well made" that seems to me that i accepted his opinion.

You didn't.

You agreed with his point, then showed yourself up again by banging on about how King had been a revelation for Melbourne on the wing, and how previous coaches were to blame for Kings form, as they'd played him out of position at centre.

Then, later in the thread, when picked up about Penny again, you go on about King, and how his poor form at centre has been because he's been covering for Kevin Penny, and that's why his decision making & positional play have left a lot to be desired.

You basically, don't like individuals, you make ti perfectly clear, and even when presented with pretty good points, resort to "Well, in my opinion, Kevin Penny is the weakest ...."

Kevin Penny has not played for Warrington Wolves in a side that has had a solid defensive structure, that he could become part of. The problems that Penny encountered, Matt King encountered against Catalans at home. They scored a try that floated over & past him and he looked the preverbial idiot torn between staying out wide, or closing the space inside him. If Smith fixes this problem, and the line stays spread out, 99% of Pennys problems will go away. His only dangers will be the same as any other SL winger, bombs, grubbers in behind, marking your opposite number etc, which I think he's shown his capable of, and has plenty of room for improvement in equal measure.

A lot of this stuff you have made up but well done anyway, a forum is all about opinions, everyone has them and everyone is entitled to them, sometimes people agree sometimes they don't, it's a way of life.

Can you give an opinion as to why Penny's defence is below average playing in the reserves

No I haven't.

You do that stuff little SJM, not me.

Exhibit A



Exhibit B



Where's the lies.

get a room guys