No we don't have a problem, now that Penny has gone.

The stats that you have provided cant be denied but im not talking about the team defence.
Regardless of how many tries has been scored down the middle or on the right, that fact doesn't show up King or Penny as being poor, however tries scored down the left wing/centre positions do and since penny has been dropped we have conceded very few.

Put it this way, Penny played against Saints and we conceded 3 maybe 4 tries down his wing, Penny hasn't played in the other 5 games and we have only conceded 2 tries down that same wing.

How do you explain the four games where 168 points conceeded in Penny's absence?

Unfortunately points count towards the result whether they are scored down the right, left or middle. The fact that we are conceding fewer points down the left means nothing when we start haemorrhaging points elsewhere.

Perhaps what has happened is that now that Penny is not there, opposition teams started targetting other parts of the defense and found even more incompetent defense than they previously did down our left!

Seriously pal do you not read post's properly



168 points were conceded by the team, only 2 tries were scored down the left wing, im not interested in the team defence, im trying to explain why i feel our LEFT SIDED DEFENCE has become stronger without penny.

Do you not? Read Thelonius's immediately above yours.

I must admit, when it comes to your posts, no.

Which two tries where these then?

I was typing whilst that was being posted, so no i missed it, can you not tell by the time of the post's

So if you cant be bothered to read them, why comment on them

1 try against Catalans and 1 against Wakefield.

Pffft. Where do I start with this comment?

So let me guess this right. Despite conceeding 40 plus points per game, that is okay because we aren't conceding down the left wing? Now bearing in mind the one game Penny did play, albeit threequarters, we conceeded less points against Saints, on their own ground, at which time when Penny left the field the game was quite even.

Are you on another wind-up?

The only thing that needs winding is his neck. Back in.

Wind-up, me, you lot will see when you remove those primrose and blue tinted specs.

Got you there. No-one is denying we have had defensive problems, so you can't accuse them of P&B specs. The FACTS are - we have had defensive issues, all over the field. Sometimes it's down to missed tackles, other times it's shooting out of the line, sometimes it's not sliding together and leaving huge holes. All of these problems have occurred at various times in differing areas of the pitch.

To blame all this on Penny and claim they've all been solved because he's not in the team, is a) simplistic b) naive and c) exposing a poor RL knowledge.

The primrose and blue specs are what's causing people to believe players like Penny, Briers and Clarke are world beaters.

For about the 3rd time i have NOT blamed Penny for the TEAMS defencive mishaps, i am however blaming him for the LEFT SIDED DEFENCIVE MISHAPS, will you people read properly.

But as you have mentioned, in his absence we haven't conceded many on the left, which means the problem lies elsewhere.

Right, just so we are clear on this - you have never thought King's positioning to be poor, or Louis Anderson to have shot out of position looking for a big hit, or Monas to be missing due to having done too much tackling earlier in a set or in the middle of the field? You've never, ever seen any of that?

I believe King's positioning was poor due to him having to cover for Penny at the same time, i have seen Louis fly out of the line yes, but in the squad of players that we have Penny is the worst defender.
He isn't that good at defending in the reserves, or is that due to his centre being poor again

just give the lad an extensive tackling/catching program.
2 years should be enough

I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.

I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.

Beltin absolutely beltin not only have we "got one" that bangs on about Pennys Defence

here's another little pearler who dreams Penny cant Catch as well......

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" he missed 1 tackle per game......? but the tries have been flying in down his wing according to the Wolves fan from Latchford....who's responsible for the other tries if Penny misses one tackle per game

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" he missed 1 tackle per game......? but the tries have been flying in down his wing according to the Wolves fan from Latchford....who's responsible for the other tries if Penny misses one tackle per game

so can i expect a string of personal insults now ?

unless it's delivered right at him he can't take it. whereas king could receive it on his boot strings and he'd catch it

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" One tackle missed per game. String him up and sack him immediately!

Quote ="Tom Brady"I agree with LWF, Penny is the problem it's clear for all to see, he missed loads of tackles in the Saints game. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 and he missed in average around a tackle a game last year, we have tightened up our defence since he has been out the team.'" One tackle missed per game. String him up and sack him immediately!