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The_runaround wrote:crazy isn't it that professional people within successful clubs and structures rate him yet warrington fans dont.....I know who I will go with wages are irrelevant people go on about hi wages as if that is a guarantee that he will perform to a certain standard, we dont know what he is paid. but only 50k of it counts to the cap so I do not see why they are concerned with what he is paid !!!
See the quote from Powell. He was a "professional person". Toby was poor for us after he got his contract, that is undisputed fact. Huddersfield didn't want to keep him either. He is a different player now at Wigan. No doubt due to their standards and professionalism. I am just sceptical of his character and attitude. Let's see what player we get back.
The_runaround wrote:crazy isn't it that professional people within successful clubs and structures rate him yet warrington fans dont.....I know who I will go with wages are irrelevant people go on about hi wages as if that is a guarantee that he will perform to a certain standard, we dont know what he is paid. but only 50k of it counts to the cap so I do not see why they are concerned with what he is paid !!!
See the quote from Powell. He was a "professional person". Toby was poor for us after he got his contract, that is undisputed fact. Huddersfield didn't want to keep him either. He is a different player now at Wigan. No doubt due to their standards and professionalism. I am just sceptical of his character and attitude. Let's see what player we get back.
If Burgess wants king back then I'm good with it. I always liked Toby King and I think the step out of his comfort zone and year with Wigan will see him return to us a much more mature and better all round player. I'm not sure about Tai, I haven't seen anything of him, but again if Burgess wants him then that will be good enough for me until I've seen enough to form an opinion on him.
I think we will be a lot better in the centres next season, its a very low bar to compare against though.
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Wires71 wrote:Fair enough. Don't forget I am probably jaundiced after watching him sulking for half a season before Powell ejected him. Anyway, hypothetical question, if faced with a choice of losing King or Wardle, which one would you keep?
Well they play different positions King is a right centre and Wardle is a left.
Ironic that Wardle fell out with Hudds because he was told he was going to play right and Kings perceived sulking and drop in form came when he was moved to the left.
As I said earlier of the 2 over the course of the year I think King has been most effective. Wardle though kicked on towards the back end of the year.
I’d have to go with King though personally as I think his contributions will be harder to replace. I don’t believe Keighran will be as effective as King from a team point of view, and we will have to change our style a little to accommodate him which has partly been the reason we have gone big on forwards in 2024.
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jonh wrote:Well they play different positions King is a right centre and Wardle is a left.
Ironic that Wardle fell out with Hudds because he was told he was going to play right and Kings perceived sulking and drop in form came when he was moved to the left.
As I said earlier of the 2 over the course of the year I think King has been most effective. Wardle though kicked on towards the back end of the year.
I’d have to go with King though personally as I think his contributions will be harder to replace. I don’t believe Keighran will be as effective as King from a team point of view, and we will have to change our style a little to accommodate him which has partly been the reason we have gone big on forwards in 2024.
King's best form (with us) was at left centre, he played right in his younger days as he was coming through first team, but see news article below.
I don't expect a centre like Inglis when discussing a 'Strike' centre. But I do expect a marquee centre to be able to create something themselves be that through power, pace, skill or a passing game. King does the tough stuff very well, is very good in yardage but he isn't a marquee centre - again not his issue, but it is something we have to contend with and consider when we look at having him back in the squad, which links back to your original question. Would you welcome him back on marquee wages?
jonh wrote:Well they play different positions King is a right centre and Wardle is a left.
Ironic that Wardle fell out with Hudds because he was told he was going to play right and Kings perceived sulking and drop in form came when he was moved to the left.
As I said earlier of the 2 over the course of the year I think King has been most effective. Wardle though kicked on towards the back end of the year.
I’d have to go with King though personally as I think his contributions will be harder to replace. I don’t believe Keighran will be as effective as King from a team point of view, and we will have to change our style a little to accommodate him which has partly been the reason we have gone big on forwards in 2024.
King's best form (with us) was at left centre, he played right in his younger days as he was coming through first team, but see news article below.
I don't expect a centre like Inglis when discussing a 'Strike' centre. But I do expect a marquee centre to be able to create something themselves be that through power, pace, skill or a passing game. King does the tough stuff very well, is very good in yardage but he isn't a marquee centre - again not his issue, but it is something we have to contend with and consider when we look at having him back in the squad, which links back to your original question. Would you welcome him back on marquee wages?
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CW8 wrote:If Burgess wants king back then I'm good with it. I always liked Toby King and I think the step out of his comfort zone and year with Wigan will see him return to us a much more mature and better all round player. I'm not sure about Tai, I haven't seen anything of him, but again if Burgess wants him then that will be good enough for me until I've seen enough to form an opinion on him.
I think we will be a lot better in the centres next season, its a very low bar to compare against though.
Yes I agree. I am hoping we will see a big change under Burgess. I am also painfully aware I was hoping the same thing two years ago with Powell.
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Alffi_7 wrote:King's best form (with us) was at left centre, he played right in his younger days as he was coming through first team, but see news article below.
I don't expect a centre like Inglis when discussing a 'Strike' centre. But I do expect a marquee centre to be able to create something themselves be that through power, pace, skill or a passing game. King does the tough stuff very well, is very good in yardage but he isn't a marquee centre - again not his issue, but it is something we have to contend with and consider when we look at having him back in the squad, which links back to your original question. Would you welcome him back on marquee wages?
Covered this when you lot were all slating him.
Looked back over his highlights reel and nearly all of his plays came on the right.
He was and still is a right centre.
Alffi_7 wrote:King's best form (with us) was at left centre, he played right in his younger days as he was coming through first team, but see news article below.
I don't expect a centre like Inglis when discussing a 'Strike' centre. But I do expect a marquee centre to be able to create something themselves be that through power, pace, skill or a passing game. King does the tough stuff very well, is very good in yardage but he isn't a marquee centre - again not his issue, but it is something we have to contend with and consider when we look at having him back in the squad, which links back to your original question. Would you welcome him back on marquee wages?
Covered this when you lot were all slating him.
Looked back over his highlights reel and nearly all of his plays came on the right.
He was and still is a right centre.
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jonh wrote:Covered this when you lot were all slating him.
Looked back over his highlights reel and nearly all of his plays came on the right.
He was and still is a right centre.
Toby King clearly said wrote:I played left centre all the way through the academy, so that was my preferred position anyway,” he said. “Coming into the first team, though, you had Ryan Atkins then Bryson Goodwin out there. I had to wait for the opportunity.
“I enjoyed playing on the right and linking up with Charners (Josh Charnley), but the left side is definitely my preferred side.
This quote would appear to completely negate your argument that it was Warrington moving him to the left that caused the loss of form.
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Wires71 wrote:This quote would appear to completely negate your argument that it was Warrington moving him to the left that caused the loss of form.
Look at his form right to left.
He’s a right centre.
I watched him as a junior enough to know that before his move to the pro game.
Look at his highlights reel and tell me where his best form is. Done to death when you lot were telling me he was terrible pick up for Wigan when he signed…whilst also telling me Wigan hadn’t signed Wardle before he joined Wire and you might be able to retain him…which he had and you couldn’t despite what Powell was saying.
Go find the thread. Not going through it all again.
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jonh wrote:Look at his form right to left.
He’s a right centre.
I watched him as a junior enough to know that before his move to the pro game.
Look at his highlights reel and tell me where his best form is. Done to death when you lot were telling me he was terrible pick up for Wigan when he signed…whilst also telling me Wigan hadn’t signed Wardle before he joined Wire and you might be able to retain him…which he had and you couldn’t despite what Powell was saying.
Go find the thread. Not going through it all again.
You appear to be blissfully unaware that you are forwarding an argument where you state that you know better which side he prefers to play on than the player himself. You put forward an argument that attempted to pin point his move to left centre as to the drop in form. Despite the fact he was given his lucrative contract whilst playing left centre. I feel this discussion has reached the end. Most sensible people would accept that, on balance, the player probably knows himself which his preferred side.
For the avoidance of doubt I made no point in relation to Wardle, or Powell, or highlight reels in my statement, that's just noise you belatedly drew into your ever weakening argument.
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