orford_addict wrote:simple, zero confidence

what do you do to anybody in life who has zero confidence, you give them support

contrary, what do you do in life to anybody not making the effort ?? You either guide the, bollock them or sack them

coaches, etc always go on about players do make the effort (remains doubtful)

at this time I dread to think of where our first win will come from

strange again that post Saints we are confidence drained

Dave T wrote:And maybe you have highlighted the real issue here.

People bang on about the drinking culture, yet the likes of King and Monas have been two of our worst players.

Gleeson gets stick despite beeing tee-total for a good while now.

Can't believe that just because London commentators have said there is a drinking culture, then it becomes gospel.

All clubs have a drinking culture. The whole Aussie game has a drinking culture.

Let's stop blaming that, and start looking at the rugby reasons. If people don't want to play for us, for whatever reason, get rid.

Dave T wrote:And maybe you have highlighted the real issue here.

People bang on about the drinking culture, yet the likes of King and Monas have been two of our worst players.

Gleeson gets stick despite beeing tee-total for a good while now.

Can't believe that just because London commentators have said there is a drinking culture, then it becomes gospel.

All clubs have a drinking culture. The whole Aussie game has a drinking culture.

Let's stop blaming that, and start looking at the rugby reasons. If people don't want to play for us, for whatever reason, get rid.

Billinge Wires wrote:Do you honestly believe that Gleeson has been tee total for a year!!! Must be strong soft drinks..

RicFox wrote:some players maybe deserve booing, arguably, king is definately not one,

RicFox wrote:he does not go out on the mickey around warrington!