When can we say he has obviously worked them too hard in pre season?

The players are definatley of that oppinion.

Thanks for your constructive reply.

It is a fact that most of the tries you have conceded have come on the back of penalties you have conceded.

You've got some good players there, three of them have won trophies with Saints, they have not become bad players overnight.

Some of your forwards are penalty machines and they are killing the good work the others are doing.

If you would rather wring your hands in angst than actually watch what happens on the field its upto you.

Just think it could be worse you could be a Wigan fan, now they have got problems.

must admit, i did think that when i was reading some of the wigan pisstakers on here today, we've lost to the best team in sl history, and one of the best teams in the league last year.

Wigan have lost to the best two teams near Jonh's house in the wakefield borough.

and hull

We will lose to one of those teams next week.

Great post, wire fans have no need to worry, they will come good.

It doesn't matter. For forty minutes last night, Les Dragons were a complete rabble. In the second forty, they weren't much more than decent, but that was enough to see us completely capitulate.

Stop talking sense will you, this is the Warrington board where over reaction and targeting certain players for endless criticism is the norm. Please stick to your own board.

Correct. In fact towards the end of the first half, before they scored, they looked like they'd given up. Catalans were battered last week by Hudds - there's nothing like a game against Warrington to boost confidence.

It's the manor of the defeats that people are reacting too, total capitulation when the other team gets a bit of momentum and the fact that we haven't won a game since Leeds at home on August 2nd.

Absolutely correct - after 35 minutes they were gone (we had played well too) but we managed to piggy back them up the field from being on their line with a couple of minutes to go till half time.

I just couldn't believe how stupid our players must be - Westwood idiocy cost us the first try. Someone else cost us the one just before half time.

Second half we just gave away penalty after penalty after penalty and when we did get field position we dropped it, normally on the first or second tackle.

As someone else said it's not about being beaten, it's the manner of the defeat - completely shambolic and unacceptable no matter who the opposition are - and let's remember Catalans were missing key players and were using a centre at hooker for the first time!