FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Warrington Wolves A theory



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 29 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: A theory
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:30 am 
International Chairman
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: May 05 2002
Posts: 19907
This one is a double-edge sword and I really don't know the answer, but it is worth asking the question anyway.

Do players having longer contracts than a couple of years draw them into the comfort zone, or does it give peace of mind that they can get on with the job in hand?

I'm pretty sure people will come on and cite the examples of Monaghan and King, but to get a player to uproot from the other side of the world for a couple of years, especially established NRL players isn't going to happen.






Didn't William Webb Ellis pick up the ball and run, someone should really tell Rugby Union.

www.squadbuilder.co.uk

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:41 am 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Oct 12 2004
Posts: 16273
Depends on the players character rather than the duration of the contract. A good professional is going to be a good professional whether he's on a 1 year or 5 year deal.

Lots of overseas players come over on 1 or 2 year deals, I would say 2 years is the most common contract.

I would be wary of signing up a player on a long term deal who we have signed from a club which is bigger/more successful than ourselves. That type of player might be looking for comfort and security rather than climbing the career ladder.

Agents know when a player has to 'cash in' on his reputation being at its peak. When a player has had some success with a big club, and is told they won't get a new deal, their reputation is at the highest point it will ever be so they can ask for good wages - this is the time to get a long term deal because it will be the most important contract they ever sign in their careers in terms of financial security. We have a lot of these players.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:03 pm 
Player Coach
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Aug 10 2005
Posts: 2082
Location: Washing the sheets
I think as Sally says, if a player is professional and committed enough, then the length of the contract should be pretty irrelevent.

My main gripe with the Salary cap system is that it seems to have eliminated the 'bonus' system in a player's contract....I firmly believe that there are a few players who would certainly buck their ideas up if their lucrative salaries weren't already guaranteed.






How can I miss you, if you won't go away????

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:30 pm 
Player Coach
Fringe Player
User avatar

Joined: Nov 01 2008
Posts: 968
Location: LAUGHING AT GLEESON'S NOSE!
i wonder how many overseas players would come for the old system of win/ loss wages,


1000 for a win 50 for a loss!






"she wore, she wore, she wore a yellow gibbon"
"she wore a yellow gibbon in the merry month of may"
"and when i asked her why she wore a gibbon"
"she said it's for the wire and it's gonna climb a tree!"


INARDIS FIDELIS

"If Noble is there next year I will not be renewing my season tickets mine and two grandchildren the future Wigan Suporters.
How low can we get".............wigan fans ...ancient and loyal

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:58 pm 
Player Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Sep 26 2006
Posts: 10645
Location: Killing the Ball!
The Angry Pirate wrote:I think as Sally says, if a player is professional and committed enough, then the length of the contract should be pretty irrelevent.

My main gripe with the Salary cap system is that it seems to have eliminated the 'bonus' system in a player's contract....I firmly believe that there are a few players who would certainly buck their ideas up if their lucrative salaries weren't already guaranteed.


Two points, one, players would go for salaries that are more guaranteed than those with bonuses. That is common in football (was mentioned in an interview with david james i believe when asked about bonuses).

And secondly, i didn't think we liked mercenaries playing for the club?






equilibriumproductions.com [WAM] - WArrington Music

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:46 pm 
Club Coach
Academy Player

Joined: Apr 26 2005
Posts: 306
Prior to the start of the season I thought the situation of having a lot of players playing for contracts this season would have helped improve player performance. Clearly not.
Having thought about it a fair bit over the last 4 weeks I have come to the conclusion that players are playing for themselves. If you are playing for your future income you might be more inclined to go for the glory play, (See the Lee Penny school of 2 on one attack).
I know that in theory they shouldnt but is it in the back of a players mind that they need to shine sometimes at the detriment of the team?

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:02 pm 
Player Coach
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Aug 10 2005
Posts: 2082
Location: Washing the sheets
Wire On The Telly wrote:Two points, one, players would go for salaries that are more guaranteed than those with bonuses. That is common in football (was mentioned in an interview with david james i believe when asked about bonuses).

And secondly, i didn't think we liked mercenaries playing for the club?


I don't quite see what is mercenary about it??... :?

The way I see it, there are 2 possible scenarios...

1. For example, Matt King gets paid £100k a year guaranteed, whether the club finishes 1st, 7th or 14th.

Or,

2. Matt King gets £50k a year guaranteed, and a further £50k in bonuses depending on the team's performances on he pitch...(Make up your own qualifying scheme)

I think example 1 makes him a mercenary, you seem to think number 2 does??






How can I miss you, if you won't go away????

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:14 pm 
Player Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Sep 26 2006
Posts: 10645
Location: Killing the Ball!
The Angry Pirate wrote:I don't quite see what is mercenary about it??... :?

The way I see it, there are 2 possible scenarios...

1. For example, Matt King gets paid £100k a year guaranteed, whether the club finishes 1st, 7th or 14th.

Or,

2. Matt King gets £50k a year guaranteed, and a further £50k in bonuses depending on the team's performances on he pitch...(Make up your own qualifying scheme)

I think example 1 makes him a mercenary, you seem to think number 2 does??


No my point is, there is no chance a player would choose the second option as the first is guaranteed where as the second one, they could end up with o nly half. Surely that makes sense?

My second point was entirely separate point that refers to the fact surely we do not want people coming to the club to top up their pension and not care about the club.






equilibriumproductions.com [WAM] - WArrington Music

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:42 pm 
Player Coach
Fringe Player

Joined: Apr 14 2006
Posts: 775
The Angry Pirate wrote:I think example 1 makes him a mercenary, you seem to think number 2 does??


So that just about takes into account the majoirty of the population, or should professional sportsmen only play for the teams they love and for the game, in the same way that we all go to work beacuase we love our companies and the business we are in?

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:48 pm 
Club Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Jun 16 2005
Posts: 11464
behind the stick wrote:So that just about takes into account the majoirty of the population, or should professional sportsmen only play for the teams they love and for the game, in the same way that we all go to work beacuase we love our companies and the business we are in?


I don't think being a professional sportsman with the potential adulation of the paying public, the hero-worship of the local youngsters and the possibility of glory when winning trophies is the same as working on the till in Asda.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 29 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next





It is currently Wed Dec 25, 2024 3:01 am


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 173 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Wed Dec 25, 2024 3:01 am
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Planning for next season
Septimius Se
221
Recent
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
110
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
49s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
4152
1m
Small squad numbers
Frosties.
8
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
41009
2m
Its all gone a bit quiet
Deadcowboys1
31
2m
Pre Season - 2025
B0NES
257
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63544
4m
Rumours thread
PopTart
2598
4m
Rumours and signings v9
Zig
28959
4m
Transfer Talk V5
MjM
603
5m
Pre-season
rugbyleague8
32
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Great News
BarnsleyTrin
5
TODAY
Happy Christmas Everyone
Chris71
11
TODAY
Merry Christmas Everyone
Spookisback
8
TODAY
Booking to watch the boxing Day game online
Clearwing
4
TODAY
In Memoriam Bernard McGurrin
Zig
2
TODAY
Total RL site closed
Trojan Horse
10
TODAY
James Batchelor extends deal
Huddersfield
2
TODAY
Tigers sign wolves forward on season long loan
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Red Bull
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
Bulls TV
Wigan Bull
4
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Playing Squad 2025
Vancouver Le
13
TODAY
The Shay
Encouraged
7
TODAY
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of the Year at BBC Sports Personality Awards
Huddersfield
2
TODAY
BBC SPOTY Team of the year
muttywhitedo
11
TODAY
Pre Season Thread
Bull Mania
22
TODAY
Trinity Heritage Podcast Quiz
PopTart
3
TODAY
New Shirts
Kick and cha
4
TODAY
Sizing on womens shirts
WillCherno
1
TODAY
Ben Lam Leaves Dragons
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
New Roles for HULL KR
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Questions regarding seeing a game at Bradford
Fr13daY
3
TODAY
Alec Tuitavake
Jack Gaskell
5
TODAY
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Jet2 has signed a major sponsorship deal with the Leigh Leopards for the 2025 Betfred Super League season
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Salford
Huddersfield
2
TODAY
ONeill
Rogues Galle
26
TODAY
Thirkill and Hood complete Hull FC takeover
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of..
473
Ben Lam Leaves Dragons..
301
New Roles for HULL KR...
299
Jet2 has signed a major sponso..
443
Thirkill and Hood complete Hul..
437
Captains Challenge for Televis..
717
England Women Las Vegas train-..
926
Opening Championship and Leagu..
1105
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
2464
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
1475
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
2068
England's Women Demolish The W..
1879
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
2250
Operational Rules Tribunal â..
1855
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
2128
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Planning for next season
Septimius Se
221
Recent
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
110
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
49s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
4152
1m
Small squad numbers
Frosties.
8
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
41009
2m
Its all gone a bit quiet
Deadcowboys1
31
2m
Pre Season - 2025
B0NES
257
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63544
4m
Rumours thread
PopTart
2598
4m
Rumours and signings v9
Zig
28959
4m
Transfer Talk V5
MjM
603
5m
Pre-season
rugbyleague8
32
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Great News
BarnsleyTrin
5
TODAY
Happy Christmas Everyone
Chris71
11
TODAY
Merry Christmas Everyone
Spookisback
8
TODAY
Booking to watch the boxing Day game online
Clearwing
4
TODAY
In Memoriam Bernard McGurrin
Zig
2
TODAY
Total RL site closed
Trojan Horse
10
TODAY
James Batchelor extends deal
Huddersfield
2
TODAY
Tigers sign wolves forward on season long loan
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Red Bull
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
Bulls TV
Wigan Bull
4
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Playing Squad 2025
Vancouver Le
13
TODAY
The Shay
Encouraged
7
TODAY
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of the Year at BBC Sports Personality Awards
Huddersfield
2
TODAY
BBC SPOTY Team of the year
muttywhitedo
11
TODAY
Pre Season Thread
Bull Mania
22
TODAY
Trinity Heritage Podcast Quiz
PopTart
3
TODAY
New Shirts
Kick and cha
4
TODAY
Sizing on womens shirts
WillCherno
1
TODAY
Ben Lam Leaves Dragons
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
New Roles for HULL KR
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Questions regarding seeing a game at Bradford
Fr13daY
3
TODAY
Alec Tuitavake
Jack Gaskell
5
TODAY
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Jet2 has signed a major sponsorship deal with the Leigh Leopards for the 2025 Betfred Super League season
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Salford
Huddersfield
2
TODAY
ONeill
Rogues Galle
26
TODAY
Thirkill and Hood complete Hull FC takeover
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of..
473
Ben Lam Leaves Dragons..
301
New Roles for HULL KR...
299
Jet2 has signed a major sponso..
443
Thirkill and Hood complete Hul..
437
Captains Challenge for Televis..
717
England Women Las Vegas train-..
926
Opening Championship and Leagu..
1105
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
2464
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
1475
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
2068
England's Women Demolish The W..
1879
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
2250
Operational Rules Tribunal â..
1855
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
2128


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.