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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:22 pm 
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Nothing wrong with our work ethic, Burgess has made that the best it’s been for a long time. I think we need a bullocking second row, a classy centre (which we have), an impact prop and a kicking game. Wigan have all four of those things listed. Centre close to sorted….signings needed for the others which I’m not sure is on the cards.






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I think we are quick to forget how Wigan fared when French was out injured. They got pummelled a few times, and scraped first place, after we all had expected them to blitz the league unchallenged at the start of this year.

We've had our own injury crisis during the course of this season, but never lost by more than 10 points, and have never been out of a game. We also finished as top scorers and top defenders. That isn't to take away anything from Wigan's achievements of course, but let's not brush over the fact that Burgess came into a totally broken system and turned it 180 degrees. Nothing to be sniffed at, and a reason to be far less worried going forward than if A.N.Other coach had let us limp out of the reckoning yet again. We also have some of the best developing talent coming through, tied up on long contracts.

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I don't have a major issue with those comparisons. Philbin edges Byrne - more carries, more tackle busts, more metres, better discipline - so that would be one back for us.

What is clear is that we haven't had anyone making the sort of destructive runs Mago and Nsemba do, and Smith offers more of an attacking threat and a more telling kicking game than Drinkwater. Elsewhere I think you are dealing in pretty small margins.






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I think it’s safe to say that if we improve, and that’s a biggish if, we should be Wigans main rival for silverware.






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Wires71 wrote:
It backs up my view we need to strengthen right centre (Lindop?), scrum half and 2nd row.


Your assessments of players certainly backs up your own views. Rather a unique method. The club seems to agree with you & has strengthened SH, SR & outside back.

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Smiffy27 wrote:Your assessments of players certainly backs up your own views. Rather a unique method. The club seems to agree with you & has strengthened SH, SR & outside back.


Did I upset you in a former life? :lol:

Perfectly reasonable to assess two teams side by side. One the champion side the other the aspirant. Nothing unique about it.

Time will tell if we have indeed strengthened. e.g. Russell will have to be a hell of a player to improve on Nicholson.

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easyWire wrote:I think we are quick to forget how Wigan fared when French was out injured. They got pummelled a few times, and scraped first place, after we all had expected them to blitz the league unchallenged at the start of this year.

We've had our own injury crisis during the course of this season, but never lost by more than 10 points, and have never been out of a game. We also finished as top scorers and top defenders. That isn't to take away anything from Wigan's achievements of course, but let's not brush over the fact that Burgess came into a totally broken system and turned it 180 degrees. Nothing to be sniffed at, and a reason to be far less worried going forward than if A.N.Other coach had let us limp out of the reckoning yet again. We also have some of the best developing talent coming through, tied up on long contracts.


It was French, Field, Smith and O'Neill missing. The whole spine. I would challenge any team to try and cope without that. It's obviously going to impact any team if your best players are missing. Also, through that period of just over half way you could clearly see an intensity drop off for about 5 or 6 weeks. Somebody on our board says that is a planned drop off every season and then towards the end of the season everything gets ramped up to where every player is at their optimum. Our Pre-season sessions are notoriously savage. I know a former player who went into detail that includes sprinting up steps at Rivington with loaded back packs on. He said most players are physically sick at the end of it.

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just_browny wrote:I don't have a major issue with those comparisons. Philbin edges Byrne - more carries, more tackle busts, more metres, better discipline - so that would be one back for us.

What is clear is that we haven't had anyone making the sort of destructive runs Mago and Nsemba do, and Smith offers more of an attacking threat and a more telling kicking game than Drinkwater. Elsewhere I think you are dealing in pretty small margins.


Mago's first carry when he came on was pure destruction. I would love a player like that again.

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Smiffy27 wrote:Your assessments of players certainly backs up your own views. Rather a unique method. The club seems to agree with you & has strengthened SH, SR & outside back.



we've recruited, strengthened is debatable.

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Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:we've recruited, strengthened is debatable.


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