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 Post subject: Refs referring it to video as a try or not
PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:31 pm 
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I realise this is going to be unpopular, because pretty much everybody I speak to seems to want it stopped, but personally it's something I've been in favour of since it was introduced, and I still am.

I remember before we had it, if there was no absolutely conclusive evidence either way that a try had been scored, then it was expected to be awarded as benefit of the doubt to the attacking team.

If that was the case now, then presumably the two tries that have gone against us in the last two weeks because the video referee couldn't find sufficient evidence to overturn the live call would still have been awarded?

If the video ref is 100% certain either way then they can overturn the call. If they're not, then before there was any call to overturn, then they were always supposed to award the try weren't they? At least this way there is still some onus on the on field referee to get it right in the first place.

If that try last night was sent to the video ref without the on field ref saying what he thought, and was then awarded by benefit of the doubt, we would simply be angry with the video ref instead of the on field ref wouldn't we? What would be the benefit to getting rid of the current system?






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 Post subject: Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not
PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:33 pm 
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Stop the I've got a try or no try just hand it upstairs to the vid ref and let him do his job and decide.

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 Post subject: Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not
PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:40 pm 
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I think maybe the job of the ref & video ref would be helped if a different coloured ball was used , a colour that would stand out against the pich & under a pile of bodies.

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 Post subject: Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not
PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:46 pm 
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I don't know how much was made of it in the post match reaction over there, but I must admit Melbourne were robbed of a try this morning because it was sent up as no try, but for me there really was enough evidence with that one to overturn it, because it clearly looked down. Surely that would have been given if it was just referred with no on field decision.

It also highlights that the Aussie officials can be just as incompetent as ours, because there's no higher level than the NRL Grand Final, and that was a massive and highly costly mistake for me.






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 Post subject: Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:04 am 
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Barstool Preacher wrote:I don't know how much was made of it in the post match reaction over there, but I must admit Melbourne were robbed of a try this morning because it was sent up as no try, but for me there really was enough evidence with that one to overturn it, because it clearly looked down. Surely that would have been given if it was just referred with no on field decision.

It also highlights that the Aussie officials can be just as incompetent as ours, because there's no higher level than the NRL Grand Final, and that was a massive and highly costly mistake for me.


Ashley Klein the Aussie official involved refed over here for several season earlier in his career.

Their officials are tied down with the same silly rule as ours are, where they are instructed to guess if a try has been scored before asking the Video Ref. to investigate the incident.

Absolutely ridiculous.

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 Post subject: Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:16 pm 
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Barstool Preacher wrote:I don't know how much was made of it in the post match reaction over there, but I must admit Melbourne were robbed of a try this morning because it was sent up as no try, but for me there really was enough evidence with that one to overturn it, because it clearly looked down. Surely that would have been given if it was just referred with no on field decision.

It also highlights that the Aussie officials can be just as incompetent as ours, because there's no higher level than the NRL Grand Final, and that was a massive and highly costly mistake for me.

Definitely grounded, but for some strange reason didn’t dwell on the footage that showed it,

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 Post subject: Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:40 pm 
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sir adrian morley wrote:Stop the I've got a try or no try just hand it upstairs to the vid ref and let him do his job and decide.

This 100% is exactly what i think, don't sway the outcome, just hand it upstairs and say i'm not sure could you have a good look and let me know if it is or isn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:04 pm 
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Or thane wrote:This 100% is exactly what i think, don't sway the outcome, just hand it upstairs and say i'm not sure could you have a good look and let me know if it is or isn't.


and if it's inconclusive?

I'm not saying that the current protocol is ideal and there needs to be a review but I'm not sure how it can be improved Benefit of the Doubt to whom?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:17 pm 
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Barstool Preacher wrote:I don't know how much was made of it in the post match reaction over there, but I must admit Melbourne were robbed of a try this morning because it was sent up as no try, but for me there really was enough evidence with that one to overturn it, because it clearly looked down. Surely that would have been given if it was just referred with no on field decision.

It also highlights that the Aussie officials can be just as incompetent as ours, because there's no higher level than the NRL Grand Final, and that was a massive and highly costly mistake for me.


There are about 2 dozen cameras available for the bunker to help with decisions.
The NRL subsequently invited journalists and other interested parties to view a large screen and other camera footage which clearly showed that an arm underneath the ball stopped the ball ever touching the ground thereby justifying the decision of the bunker to rule no try.
This footage was not shown on live TV.

I am a long time Penrith fan who went to the game and also watched a replay of the incident which I also thought showed the ball being grounded. The other camera footage changed my mind and I believe has silenced people saying Melbourne were robbed of a try.

Ps. On another RL forum I tipped Melbourne to win!

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 Post subject: Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:01 am 
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Fair enough, although you would think they would show that footage to ensure there's no controversy. Strange one.






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