Bigpev wrote:What the Tories did for us Sold off:- Gas Electric Water Introduced the Poll tax (My rates went from £550 to £1000 overnight) British Rail British Airways British Petrolium TSB Used North Sea Oil to Fund Unemployment in the 80's to batter the unions Closed the mines with 300 years of stocks left underground Highest Unemployment in History (created own recession) nearly 4m Inflation at 22% Interest rates at 15% (mortgage up an extra £100 a month) never won a World Cup Shut down the ship yards by ordering battleships from abroad Closed down the national Apprentice scheme creating a Skills Shortage Cut the married mans tax allowance (party of the Family?) Deregulated the Buses, now I have a private company in a monopoly in North West Manchester charging me twice as much as travellers in other parts of Manchester. Introduced unregulated expenses scheme into Parliament Part privatised the NHS Took away free school milk cut the Council housing stock with the right to buy scheme Introduced Housing Benefit direct to landlords so that they got their money whoever they put in their houses result massive degeneration across many cities in England such as Salford House price collapse. How much as it cost nationwide now to ensure landlords got their rent about £40b
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:53 pm
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Bigpev wrote:What the Tories did for us Sold off:- Gas Electric Water
What was wrong with that policy?
Introduced the Poll tax (My rates went from £550 to £1000 overnight)
British Rail British Airways British Petrolium TSB
Rolling back the State is good.
Used North Sea Oil to Fund Unemployment in the 80's to batter the unions
Made a change from the unions battering the country into being the sick man of europe.
Closed the mines with 300 years of stocks left underground
Rubbish
Highest Unemployment in History (created own recession) nearly 4m
Rubbish. All Labour gas done is shift hundreds of thousands on to other benefits to change the headline figure
Inflation at 22%
When was that and why?
Interest rates at 15% (mortgage up an extra £100 a month)
Should have spent what you could afford, unlike what Gordon has done.
never won a World Cup
Shut down the ship yards by ordering battleships from abroad
Maybe they got better quality at a bettter price. Which shipyards?
Closed down the national Apprentice scheme creating a Skills Shortage
Did they. What's wrong with businesses investing in their own schemes to train??
Cut the married mans tax allowance (party of the Family?)
Deregulated the Buses, now I have a private company in a monopoly in North West Manchester charging me twice as much as travellers in other parts of Manchester.
Which routes and company, and how are you comparing like for like?
Introduced unregulated expenses scheme into Parliament
When was this? Are they to blame for three Labour MP's being in court for false accounting?
Part privatised the NHS
Which parts?
Took away free school milk
Schools are for learning, why should they have given free milk out?
cut the Council housing stock with the right to buy scheme
Gave millions the chance to own their own homes and cut the huge burden of state providing everything. Saw a massive increase in wealth of millions on lower incomes who could afford their own homes. Fantastic initiative.
Introduced Housing Benefit direct to landlords so that they got their money whoever they put in their houses result massive degeneration across many cities in England such as Salford House price collapse.
Why does direct payment cause degeneration?
How much as it cost nationwide now to ensure landlords got their rent about £40b
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:05 am
Bigpev
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Scanners from your reply you don't actually know what the Tories did, I will take a few of your points, The utilities, now making massive profits due to overcharging, if still in government hands there could be an OAP rate instead of giving a cold weather payment which goes straight into the shareholders pockets. Two years ago Norway gifted British Gas 6 months supply free of charge because they couldn't store it, this saving was never past on, if there is a raise in the wholesale price of gas the raise comes in normally 3 months after because we are told thats how far in advance the gas is purchased, when there is a cut in WP the cuts can take upto a year to be given to the consumer again the gas people say they buy a year in advance.
Inflation 1982 under thatcher 22%
My Mortgage was affordable but I signed for it at 7.5%
The Buses I have First Bus weekly pass £15.50 Manchester East and South have a couple of companies weekly pass £8.00
I worked for the Employment Service under the Tories, the Back to work teams were introduced then, only they were actually the back to bed teams with hundreds of thousands of claimants moved off unemployment benefit to sickness and other benefits, and the Tories used the claimant count, Labour don't use that because it generally produces a figure about 30% less than actual unemployed, isn't the current scheme to move people of sickness/incapacity benefit?
Direct payment meant that the landlord did not have to go round to collect the rent a real hassle as I know to my cost, so if the money is paid direct to the landlord they don't care who they have in, remember all the housing adverts DHSS welcome because it meant the landlord got paid for little effort and once you get the problem family in the whole street starts to lose value, ask the people of Seedley and Langworthy about it, and the landlords can pick up other properties below market value and stick another family in, money for old rope. Labour have now introduced the Landlord Licence Scheme as well to ensure that properties are properly maintained. I am now bored Scanners you vote Tory
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:15 am
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Bigpev wrote:Scanners from your reply you don't actually know what the Tories did, I will take a few of your points, The utilities, now making massive profits due to overcharging, if still in government hands there could be an OAP rate instead of giving a cold weather payment which goes straight into the shareholders pockets. Two years ago Norway gifted British Gas 6 months supply free of charge because they couldn't store it, this saving was never past on, if there is a raise in the wholesale price of gas the raise comes in normally 3 months after because we are told thats how far in advance the gas is purchased, when there is a cut in WP the cuts can take upto a year to be given to the consumer again the gas people say they buy a year in advance.
Inflation 1982 under thatcher 22%
My Mortgage was affordable but I signed for it at 7.5%
The Buses I have First Bus weekly pass £15.50 Manchester East and South have a couple of companies weekly pass £8.00
I worked for the Employment Service under the Tories, the Back to work teams were introduced then, only they were actually the back to bed teams with hundreds of thousands of claimants moved off unemployment benefit to sickness and other benefits, and the Tories used the claimant count, Labour don't use that because it generally produces a figure about 30% less than actual unemployed, isn't the current scheme to move people of sickness/incapacity benefit?
Direct payment meant that the landlord did not have to go round to collect the rent a real hassle as I know to my cost, so if the money is paid direct to the landlord they don't care who they have in, remember all the housing adverts DHSS welcome because it meant the landlord got paid for little effort and once you get the problem family in the whole street starts to lose value, ask the people of Seedley and Langworthy about it, and the landlords can pick up other properties below market value and stick another family in, money for old rope. Labour have now introduced the Landlord Licence Scheme as well to ensure that properties are properly maintained. I am now bored Scanners you vote Tory
Pev,
Scanners, like all tories, remembers the good things that happened under the Tory governments like, er...
Post subject: Re: depending on the may 6th decision
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:15 am
Scanners
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Bigpev wrote:Scanners from your reply you don't actually know what the Tories did, I will take a few of your points, The utilities, now making massive profits due to overcharging, if still in government hands there could be an OAP rate instead of giving a cold weather payment which goes straight into the shareholders pockets. Two years ago Norway gifted British Gas 6 months supply free of charge because they couldn't store it, this saving was never past on, if there is a raise in the wholesale price of gas the raise comes in normally 3 months after because we are told thats how far in advance the gas is purchased, when there is a cut in WP the cuts can take upto a year to be given to the consumer again the gas people say they buy a year in advance.
Inflation 1982 under thatcher 22%
My Mortgage was affordable but I signed for it at 7.5%
The Buses I have First Bus weekly pass £15.50 Manchester East and South have a couple of companies weekly pass £8.00
I worked for the Employment Service under the Tories, the Back to work teams were introduced then, only they were actually the back to bed teams with hundreds of thousands of claimants moved off unemployment benefit to sickness and other benefits, and the Tories used the claimant count, Labour don't use that because it generally produces a figure about 30% less than actual unemployed, isn't the current scheme to move people of sickness/incapacity benefit?
Direct payment meant that the landlord did not have to go round to collect the rent a real hassle as I know to my cost, so if the money is paid direct to the landlord they don't care who they have in, remember all the housing adverts DHSS welcome because it meant the landlord got paid for little effort and once you get the problem family in the whole street starts to lose value, ask the people of Seedley and Langworthy about it, and the landlords can pick up other properties below market value and stick another family in, money for old rope. Labour have now introduced the Landlord Licence Scheme as well to ensure that properties are properly maintained. I am now bored Scanners you vote Tory
Inflation under Thatcher never hit 22%. If you know your stats you will see that in the four years 1974 to 1977 inflation was higher in that period than at any time since WW1, peaking as it did at 24%.
In 1979 as Thatcher took over it was at 13%. It stood at 3% in 1997.
If you believe that Labour hasn't shifted millions off the headline unemployment figure and changed which benefits are included in unemployment calculations, then you are in denial.
You seem to be forgetting that the majority of housing in Salford is social housing provided by the state, how are private landlords responsible for the social housing slums in Salford or elsewhere in the country?
If payment wasn't pai direct, the tenants would spend the money themselves and end up in arrears then be out on the street..............I see adverts for private rented housing all the time and an awful lot say no DSS.
Post subject: Re: depending on the may 6th decision
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:22 am
Scanners
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Bigpev wrote:Scanners from your reply you don't actually know what the Tories did, I will take a few of your points, The utilities, now making massive profits due to overcharging, if still in government hands there could be an OAP rate instead of giving a cold weather payment which goes straight into the shareholders pockets. Two years ago Norway gifted British Gas 6 months supply free of charge because they couldn't store it, this saving was never past on, if there is a raise in the wholesale price of gas the raise comes in normally 3 months after because we are told thats how far in advance the gas is purchased, when there is a cut in WP the cuts can take upto a year to be given to the consumer again the gas people say they buy a year in advance.
Inflation 1982 under thatcher 22%
My Mortgage was affordable but I signed for it at 7.5%
The Buses I have First Bus weekly pass £15.50 Manchester East and South have a couple of companies weekly pass £8.00
I worked for the Employment Service under the Tories, the Back to work teams were introduced then, only they were actually the back to bed teams with hundreds of thousands of claimants moved off unemployment benefit to sickness and other benefits, and the Tories used the claimant count, Labour don't use that because it generally produces a figure about 30% less than actual unemployed, isn't the current scheme to move people of sickness/incapacity benefit?
Direct payment meant that the landlord did not have to go round to collect the rent a real hassle as I know to my cost, so if the money is paid direct to the landlord they don't care who they have in, remember all the housing adverts DHSS welcome because it meant the landlord got paid for little effort and once you get the problem family in the whole street starts to lose value, ask the people of Seedley and Langworthy about it, and the landlords can pick up other properties below market value and stick another family in, money for old rope. Labour have now introduced the Landlord Licence Scheme as well to ensure that properties are properly maintained. I am now bored Scanners you vote Tory
By the way, how much are the utility companies overcharging? Norway really gave away 6 months supply of gas for free? You sure?
I don't see why the state should own utility companies. State ownership, as proven in many industries under Labour regimes and union control, leads to huge inefficiencies, lack of innovation, massive costs to the taxpayer and puts the country in a position where ti can be crippled by militant unions. Winter of discontent??
The free market regulates price and usage levels far better than any state control. Free market rules.
Post subject: Re: depending on the may 6th decision
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:26 am
Scanners
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Anyway, back on topic, what's the crack with the new stadium?
Will a Tory government mean that Salford Council won't have the money it has promised to the project? Given that Salford is classed as a deprived area, can the council justify £20m for such a scheme when the money could be much better spent elsewhere?
If the Salford club can't afford a new facility and can't get sufficient funds from the private sector, surely it is time to look at the fact that the club cannot compete at the top level, and to seek a more realistic level to compete at?
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