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 Post subject: Re: O/T HAZEL BLEARS
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:15 pm 
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Langworthy residents were driven out of there home, many who had lived & bought properties many years ago when it was a good area to live. these same residents sold there houses for pittance to private landloards just to escape the how bad the area had become, many good Salford people were not helped & left the area for good.
Are we now saying the regeneration in the Langworthy area as helped local people? I am not saying what we see now in the langworthy area is a bad thing (far from it) but was the regeneration of the houses made affordabe to the very people who were originally forced to move from the area?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:42 pm 
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Residents were forced out because of the Tory Benefit rules on Housing Benefit going straight to the Landlord, I think pushed through by a certain Mr Heseltine who had thousands of residents.
Under the regeneration the people who were left were given new homes which had been modernised under the ground breaking homeswap scheme. My mate paid £25,000 for his house near Chimney Pot park, he was homeswapped further to the back of the school house now worth £90,000 still got the same mortgage as well. Over 900 homes given new doors, windows, roofs, now 29 residents associations in the Langworthy area. Since 2003 the area has won the best community effect in Britain In Bloom, plus many other prizes who would have thought from that day in 1998 when Jack Straw was dragged around Langworthy By Hazel Blears that rows of Terraced houses would win Britain in Bloom, the area gets visitors from all over the country to see good neighbourhoods in action and the award winning alleygating scheme cutting down crime and increasing the sense of community and providing safe places for children to play. Bl00dy hell I sound like a tourism salesman.
The Langworthy model is being copied Citywide with many other groups now trying their luck with Britain In Bloom, alleygating schemes and new residents associations.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:13 pm 
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Who am I to argue! I do know others who were not so lucky! Overall I think Langworthy as a lot of positives & would not argue with some of your points!
I am sorry to say I used to knock on doors for the labour party but having been an active member of the party, ufortunately I will not be voting for our Hazel!

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 Post subject: Re: O/T HAZEL BLEARS
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:42 pm 
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Redgunner it is a democracy so you are free to vote as you wish, all I have done is pointed out the stuff the press don't want to print even the Advertiser, the good news stories. I have hundreds, I too know people who gave up their keys and just moved out, but because of the second house they bought in Langworthy across from the one they left, made them over £100,000 when they sold it a couple of years back they now have cleared what they owed on the first one and now live elsewhere.






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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:44 pm 
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Bigpev wrote:Redgunner it is a democracy so you are free to vote as you wish, all I have done is pointed out the stuff the press don't want to print even the Advertiser, the good news stories. I have hundreds, I too know people who gave up their keys and just moved out, but because of the second house they bought in Langworthy across from the one they left, made them over £100,000 when they sold it a couple of years back they now have cleared what they owed on the first one and now live elsewhere.


Come on Pev you know many people were totally unhappy with the 'regeneration' that went on. For everyone you know who made a profit on it there were equally as many who were shoved out of their homes and offered paltry sums in return. The area should have been regenerated and the new properties made available to the same people who lived in them before at affordable prices, no matter what the previous Tory government had done in regards housing legislation. It seems Labour were happy to invest in regeneration aslong as they could 'regenerate' the people who lived there as well!

Upto this week I was going to vote for Blears on the belief I would rather see a Labour government no matter how right wing rather than a Tory one. However, looking through the profiles of those candidates has changed my mind and I'm going to vote for David Henry. He's a socialist and seems like he cares about the local area. Hazel Blears no doubt has done some good and actually cares for Salford however she has tarnished herself not just with the expenses scandal but with her record in office. The loyalist of loyal Blairites she did whatever she could to climb the ministerial ladder and then when she realised she was going to get the boot from cabinet she quit in an attempt to bring down Gordon Brown and cause maximum damage just before the European and Local Elections. She then apologised after the event when it was clear she had failed to topple Brown. She doesn't deserve to be sent back to Parliament by the people of Salford and I would feel very dirty voting for her anyway!

Not sure why there is two socialist independents as surely they will just split each others vote.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:55 pm 
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Walshovski wrote:Not sure why there is two socialist independents as surely they will just split each others vote.


That's pretty much the life story of left wing politics. Think "People's Front of Judea".

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Iain wrote:That's pretty much the life story of left wing politics. Think "People's Front of Judea".


Just checked the BBC website and they don't list the religious nutter or the other socialist candidate as standing so hopefully people will get behind David Henry and the vote won't be split.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:57 pm 
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Iain wrote:That's pretty much the life story of left wing politics. Think "People's Front of Judea".


Aye.

Notably, Henry was the guy who tried to perform a citizen's arrest on Hazel Blears. He will probably get decent publicity from Salford Star, although they pledge to be impartial.

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Walshovski i know where you are coming from about people losing out and people gaining, having sat on the partnership board which oversaw much of the regeneration i also meet a lot of these people. The basics were the housing market had collapsed in Seedley with the "market value" averaging about £7,000 for homes bought at between £25,000 and £30,000, I had one. Without the regeneration the whole area would have gone, but we only had a finite amount £13.75m between 4000 households so we had to attract outside investment which amounted to £70m over the last ten years. The council could only give "market value" so what happens as the first phases are carried out some values went up after 4 years Langworthy North had been done but only a small movement house back upto pre crash levels. then the Bombshell Two major building contracters pulled out, the choice now level all the houses from the Park to the Langworthy and grass it over or find another builder.
The find another biulder option was best to maintain house values, when Urban Splash came in they said the houses would be between £30,000 and £50,000, but then the "market forces" took over again, the prices of houses in other parts of Langworthy shot up to an average £75,000, now if Urban Splash sell there owns for £30,000 they undermine the existing Housing market which has just seen the raise and saw many people put their homes on the market and making a killing, even private landlords who didn't realise that work had been done were putting rents up.
So if the council would have insisted on a set price they would have called by the existing owners who now had equity in their homes. Sorry to go on so long but I spent many a sleepless night going over and over the same problem, knowing that in 1989 when the council tried to hold down the market price with a developer the said developer walked away and i was left looking at a croft for 4 years where my old house had been.
PS residents were given first choice and a small discount, and from memory about 12 residents bought the Urban Splash homes, many to rent out, and so the cycle starts again.






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 Post subject: Re: O/T HAZEL BLEARS
PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:13 am 
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Bigpev wrote:Residents were forced out because of the Tory Benefit rules on Housing Benefit going straight to the Landlord, I think pushed through by a certain Mr Heseltine who had thousands of residents.
Under the regeneration the people who were left were given new homes which had been modernised under the ground breaking homeswap scheme. My mate paid £25,000 for his house near Chimney Pot park, he was homeswapped further to the back of the school house now worth £90,000 still got the same mortgage as well. Over 900 homes given new doors, windows, roofs, now 29 residents associations in the Langworthy area. Since 2003 the area has won the best community effect in Britain In Bloom, plus many other prizes who would have thought from that day in 1998 when Jack Straw was dragged around Langworthy By Hazel Blears that rows of Terraced houses would win Britain in Bloom, the area gets visitors from all over the country to see good neighbourhoods in action and the award winning alleygating scheme cutting down crime and increasing the sense of community and providing safe places for children to play. Bl00dy hell I sound like a tourism salesman.
The Langworthy model is being copied Citywide with many other groups now trying their luck with Britain In Bloom, alleygating schemes and new residents associations.
Sales pitch over


No one was forced out of anywhere. Does Labour housing benefit go straight to the landlord?

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