Post subject: Re: Why jake Connor isn't in the England squad
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:54 am
wrencat1873
Club Coach
Joined: Apr 24 2011 Posts: 17980
jools wrote:For me he hasn’t been developed properly. He had the raw talent but at the point in his career where he should have been really concentrating on cementing a position and making it his own, he was flirting between many positions and allowed to just continue to “wing it”. He has never matured as a player so the raw skill exists but without the refinement it should have by now.
Maybe, playing in a relatively poor FC side has hampered his development ? He has some sublime skills, as good as we have in SL but, so often his frustrations get the better of him.
No question that he has the ability but, his temperament is the issue.
A really good coach should be able to maximise his abilities.
Trainman wrote:Obviously this would come down to who is fit at the end of the season.
My FB for England would be Tomkins. He’s still imo the best we’ve got.
Is he though? When was the last time he had a half decent game? He was awful through the second half of last season and is playing like he's about 40 now. He must be playing with an injury and seems to miss more than he plays at the moment.
Post subject: Re: Why jake Connor isn't in the England squad
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:38 am
giddyupoldfella
Player Coach
Joined: Sep 14 2009 Posts: 1606 Location: on route to old trafford via wembley
Thetalentboy wrote:Sadly folks turns out I was right
Dave and the other fc fans have realised Connor isn't even Hull FCs best full back now
I mean I've been trying to tell them for months
Of all the hundreds of players in the league that needs their rugby ability questioning, Jake Connor would be towards the back of the queue. At least start with someone who's not producing the odd sign of quality every now then. There's so much worse than Jake Connor to choose from.
Post subject: Re: Why jake Connor isn't in the England squad
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:16 am
Dave K.
International Board Member
Joined: Mar 14 2003 Posts: 25767 Location: Back in Hull.
Thetalentboy wrote:Sadly folks turns out I was right
Dave and the other fc fans have realised Connor isn't even Hull FCs best full back now
I mean I've been trying to tell them for months
I mean I've been trying to tell them for months [/quote]
No we haven't, still our best fullback, just our halfbacks are terrible.
As mentioned many times, Connor should be in the England squad, not the 17, but certainly the squad, not many players can play the positions he can to hs standard, offers great utility value and has played well at international level. Better than a few players in the squad IMO.
Post subject: Re: Why jake Connor isn't in the England squad
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:24 pm
jools
Player Coach
Joined: Jun 09 2011 Posts: 10464
Dave K. wrote:I mean I've been trying to tell them for months
No we haven't, still our best fullback, just our halfbacks are terrible.
As mentioned many times, Connor should be in the England squad, not the 17, but certainly the squad, not many players can play the positions he can to hs standard, offers great utility value and has played well at international level. Better than a few players in the squad IMO.
Welsby or Sam T should be at FB.[/quote]
You don’t have “utility value” players in an international squad though. Yes he can play a number of positions to a good standard. But not the BEST standard and at international level that’s what you need. The BEST players in each position.
Post subject: Re: Why jake Connor isn't in the England squad
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:37 pm
Dave K.
International Board Member
Joined: Mar 14 2003 Posts: 25767 Location: Back in Hull.
jools wrote:No we haven't, still our best fullback, just our halfbacks are terrible.
As mentioned many times, Connor should be in the England squad, not the 17, but certainly the squad, not many players can play the positions he can to hs standard, offers great utility value and has played well at international level. Better than a few players in the squad IMO.
Welsby or Sam T should be at FB.
You don’t have “utility value” players in an international squad though. Yes he can play a number of positions to a good standard. But not the BEST standard and at international level that’s what you need. The BEST players in each position.[/quote]
Apart when he looked great at international level playing both centre and stand off against NZ?
Then there is Sarginson in the squad, who is pretty much a utility player and no where near the class of Connor in any position.
Post subject: Re: Why jake Connor isn't in the England squad
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:12 pm
Trainman
Club Captain
Joined: Feb 17 2016 Posts: 1855
Saddened! wrote:Is he though? When was the last time he had a half decent game? He was awful through the second half of last season and is playing like he's about 40 now. He must be playing with an injury and seems to miss more than he plays at the moment.
When fully fit, yes. Just my opinion of course, as he’s a former Wigan player I have no doubt your opinion will differ.
Post subject: Re: Why jake Connor isn't in the England squad
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:43 am
jools
Player Coach
Joined: Jun 09 2011 Posts: 10464
Dave K. wrote:You don’t have “utility value” players in an international squad though. Yes he can play a number of positions to a good standard. But not the BEST standard and at international level that’s what you need. The BEST players in each position.
Apart when he looked great at international level playing both centre and stand off against NZ?
Then there is Sarginson in the squad, who is pretty much a utility player and no where near the class of Connor in any position.[/quote]
not sure whats happening with the "quote" system.
sarginson shouldnt be any where near the squad either.
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