Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:04 pm
Chris28
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Saddened! wrote:I've been banging on for years that this will be happening. The RFL are incompetent and it's taken Bradford's Chairman telling them what has happened for them to find it two years later.
For me, Salford should be kicked out of Super League. What they've done isn't accidental overspending, it's deliberate and is no doubt still happening now. I've said for years that all this salary cap rorting will come out inevitably as players from the SL era retire and release their autobiographies. The third party company contract is so easy to do, the RFL and their incompetent setup would never find it on their own. The owners of clubs these days have so many business interests that it's incredibly easy to employ a wife on a consultancy basis, or the player themselves. If no one squeals it will not be found.
You might want to stick a few "allegedly"s in there. Don't necessarily disagree, but none of it is proven yet.
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:16 pm
adelaide-giant.no9
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Chris28 wrote:You might want to stick a few "allegedly"s in there. Don't necessarily disagree, but none of it is proven yet.
if salford have "allegedly "done wrong, for me it has to be relegation....somebody has to go down or be denied promotion, depending on play offs, how can the rfl deny a team a place in the top flight when another team has cheated?....it might be all a wind up, but koukash hasn't hid the fact that he would cheat the cap as he believes other teams have done it..
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Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:30 pm
wrencat1873
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[Gareth] wrote:The thing with Wigan is that 'we' didnt actually break the salary cap i.e. we didnt spend more in that year on wages than we where allowed to. The payments where simply back-loaded into into the contracts which is common practice in plenty of sports (the NFL being a prime example)
The RFL had to be seen to be doing something about it so Wigan got charged with breaking the 'spirit of the cap'
Will be very interesting to see the reaction to Salford's alleged breach
Brilliant !
So it's ok to sign players and agree to pay them in the next financial year. You sound like a tory tax advisor or someone from the accounts office of a multinational tax dodging empire.
Just answer one question please.
Did Kris Radlinski (or any family member) receive payment for his playing services that season ?
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:37 pm
adelaide-giant.no9
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wrencat1873 wrote:Brilliant !
So it's ok to sign players and agree to pay them in the next financial year. You sound like a tory tax advisor or someone from the accounts office of a multinational tax dodging empire.
Just answer one question please.
Did Kris Radlinski (or any family member) receive payment for his playing services that season ?
of course not, it was all done for charity...even cas went down for the benefit of the charity
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Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:04 pm
Andy Gilder
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I'd be interested to know what system Saddened would like to see in place that would catch a payment from a third party company, other than requiring players to submit their full financial records to the RFL each season for an audit?
Even in that case, how would you audit a cash payment in a brown envelope that never touches the player's bank account? Whatever system you put in place, there is always going to be someone who finds a way round it either legally or otherwise.
If a combination of real-time reporting (the live cap) and self-assessment (reliance on the clubs to abide by the spirit of the cap) is good enough for the tax system of the country, I'm not sure why it isn't good enough for the RFL?
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Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:46 pm
bewareshadows
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Andy Gilder wrote:I'd be interested to know what system Saddened would like to see in place that would catch a payment from a third party company, other than requiring players to submit their full financial records to the RFL each season for an audit?
Even in that case, how would you audit a cash payment in a brown envelope that never touches the player's bank account? Whatever system you put in place, there is always going to be someone who finds a way round it either legally or otherwise.
If a combination of real-time reporting (the live cap) and self-assessment (reliance on the clubs to abide by the spirit of the cap) is good enough for the tax system of the country, I'm not sure why it isn't good enough for the RFL?
Don't take him seriously
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Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:09 pm
Fax and furious
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I keep saying it. But the Salary Cap should be scrapped in RL in this country.
Just have a penalty of relegation if you you go bust. Then an owner who let that happen would have no chance of getting any 'investment' back. Should be a deterrent.
If the Salary Cap were scrapped, clubs would (given the above) not spend more than they have to. (Hetherington/McManus/ Lenigan etc) might just have a word about it all in the golf club house?)
But if Koukash (or the owner of Bath RU etc etc) wanted to splash the cash, so be it. Would add to the excitement.
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:23 pm
nottinghamtiger
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Mr Churchill wrote:I keep saying it. But the Salary Cap should be scrapped in RL in this country.
Just have a penalty of relegation if you you go bust. Then an owner who let that happen would have no chance of getting any 'investment' back. Should be a deterrent.
If the Salary Cap were scrapped, clubs would (given the above) not spend more than they have to. (Hetherington/McManus/ Lenigan etc) might just have a word about it all in the golf club house?)
But if Koukash (or the owner of Bath RU etc etc) wanted to splash the cash, so be it. Would add to the excitement.
I'm not sure it would. It would just lead to the possibility of very few teams dominating the league. Or, as happened width Wigan in their glory days, one team who are head and shoulders above the rest. Not only would they have the best player in every position, but also the second best player in every position simply not playing. At the moment we have a competitive league. The only issue is the number of teams to have won a grand final, but that could well change in the next few years.
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:14 am
Him
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I think it would lead to a significant increase in players wages and another period in our sport where club facilities, infrastructure, marketing and management is neglected in favour of first team wages.
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